IC Source tiering?

[gotegenks]

there are so many other factors in a video other than editing though, it can be hard to separate.

But whatever, it was a dumb idea, just thought it might be neat ><;

[NS]

there are so many other factors in a video other than editing though, it can be hard to separate.

But whatever, it was a dumb idea, just thought it might be neat ><;

Honestly, other then MAYBE concept (Thought this weighs heavily on the execution AKA editing of said concept)..there really AREN'T any other factors. If something is edited well then I like it...

[gotegenks]

there are so many other factors in a video other than editing though, it can be hard to separate.

But whatever, it was a dumb idea, just thought it might be neat ><;

Honestly, other then MAYBE concept (Thought this weighs heavily on the execution AKA editing of said concept)..there really AREN'T any other factors. If something is edited well then I like it...

if someone takes an anime you hate and puts it with a song you hate and edits it WONDERFULLY in a style you hate are you going to like it?

[JaddziaDax]

So basically you'd give them some extra points for using an old anime. (and a bunch of other nonsense about points)

eh points system? Any of the IC's I've ever judged were based on "do I like this one or that one better?" there were no points involved, just which did I like better. Often times source didn't play much of a role, but the concept of the video and the flow of the editing. I wasn't judging on how hard it was for the person to pull off the video, just the end result of the time taken. The person's effort doesn't matter.

If you lean towards newer anime, then that is your opinion, that doesn't mean that older anime is always going to have less of a chance of winning.

With the existence of tiers, judges could forgo giving handicap points altogether. You'd know what you were getting into. It'd be a list of who's considered weaker, so if someone wanted to use a weaker source in a higher tier, then that's on them and not the judge.

What is this about handicaps? the source doesn't handicap an editor, only the editor's ability can do that. If you aren't good with romance, you can work to improve that, but the handicap is on the editor themselves not the source. I think a really talented editor can edit to almost anything, old or new source, action or romance.

And your statement of familiarity is completely irrelevant. If an editor is only familiar with old or bad animes and he does better with them than newer or good animes then he's already at a disadvantage as if his opponent is the typical editor these days then he's probably familiar with (at the very least) one of the EVA rebuilds or FF7.

How is the editor at a disadvantage just because he may be familiar with an old source? the only way he is disadvantaged is if he is forced to use a source he is unfamiliar with. It would be the same of the editor that is more familiar with newer sources having to use one he is not familiar with.

And familiarity does still come into play when we are talking about "tiering video sources based on how easy they are to edit".. because you are basing it on the ease of the source is to put to music.

So that actually supports the existence of tiers. The old-school anime lover can ic in some of the lower tiers where his lowly kenshin and YuYu stand a chance.

I still don't understand how source brings a disadvantage, unless you are unfamiliar with the source. As Ileia said, if you were going to judge this way you might as well just send photos of your DVD collection and judge the winner that way.

I'm not saying we should have tiers

but you suggested it.

if someone takes an anime you hate and puts it with a song you hate and edits it WONDERFULLY in a style you hate are you going to like it?

There are some people out there who can appreciate things they dislike. I can see the talent and time and effort in a video where I dislike all the sources.

[Pwolf]

there are so many other factors in a video other than editing though, it can be hard to separate.

But whatever, it was a dumb idea, just thought it might be neat ><;

Honestly, other then MAYBE concept (Thought this weighs heavily on the execution AKA editing of said concept)..there really AREN'T any other factors. If something is edited well then I like it...

if someone takes an anime you hate and puts it with a song you hate and edits it WONDERFULLY in a style you hate are you going to like it?

You don't have to like a videos source to judge it based on editing. In an IC, you should only be judged on editing and how well you used the sources together. Wither or not you like the sources should be irrelevant. On top of that, what someone likes is subjective so you can't assume everyone is going to like "newer" animes over "older" ones.

[NS]

there are so many other factors in a video other than editing though, it can be hard to separate.

But whatever, it was a dumb idea, just thought it might be neat ><;

Honestly, other then MAYBE concept (Thought this weighs heavily on the execution AKA editing of said concept)..there really AREN'T any other factors. If something is edited well then I like it...

if someone takes an anime you hate and puts it with a song you hate and edits it WONDERFULLY in a style you hate are you going to like it?

If it's edited well then it's edited well, it's not a matter of whether or not I like it, it's a matter of the editing. Judges are supposed to be unbiased, they shouldn't be swayed in any way whatsoever by combination.

If I ever need an IC done I know who I'm NOT gonna ask to judge it

[CodeZTM]

This isn't pokemon, where there are clear-set and numerical FACTS that make one superior to another. IC's can easily be swayed one way or another as to which one is superior, and most of the times sources won't matter if it was edited well.

[gotegenks]

You're hung up on the idea that all sources are made equal, when they're not. If you were to edit with images then are the images of a high school art student going to be equal to paintings from a trained professional? (typically, not saying it's impossible)

The points system is just on a subconscious level. It's not like anybody really writes down 5 pts for this, or for that. But like you said, you take into context when an anime was made (the technology available for top-notch animation of the day) so it's like saying you give them more points for using something that's outdated.

I'm not saying we should have tiers

but you suggested it.

My bad...i prematurely pressed the submit button, i was gonna add to it but i forgot or something.

what someone likes is subjective so you can't assume everyone is going to like "newer" animes over "older" ones.

RIGHT! THANKS! with tiers, the subjective tastes in anime are eliminated as a factor. If the tiers were based on animation quality, then the lower tiers would consist majorly of older animes. When people play in the lower tiers, chances are both sides will use old anime. If a judge doesn't fancy old anime, then they both get that little downfall. If the judge likes old anime, they both get that little upside.

Maybe a better idea is to just come up with little categories or optional guidelines based on genre/style/subject, i don't know.

if someone takes an anime you hate and puts it with a song you hate and edits it WONDERFULLY in a style you hate are you going to like it?

There are some people out there who can appreciate things they dislike. I can see the talent and time and effort in a video where I dislike all the sources.

I was mostly trying to argue his ability to like anything based on quality of editing alone. LIKE it, not appreciate.

[NS]

Why didn't you quote any of my shit? I'm really curious as to what you think. I really am, because I'm kinda baffled, to be honest, at your mindset that just because somebody uses old anime they should have to "play" An IC in a lower fucking tier, that's fucking stupid.

[SilkAMV]

Once again an attempt to objectify the subjective passes by pointlessly. Pick what sources you're familiar with and edit however you want. Bitching at the source choices is also allowed because sometimes they're complete bullshit. But you know what's even more bullshit?

Shit Tier - Elfen Lied

The fuck are you smoking?