Can you upload an AMV but not allow downloading?

[kossyremp]

Hi there. I really want to contribute my AMV's to this site but since all my AMV's are on YT, I cant just enter a link. The thing is, I really dont like the idea of people downloading and keeping my videos, I'd rather people just bieng able to watch them instead of phisically having them. I read something on the site about streaming videos, can you just upload your videos and disable downloading and allow streaming? If not then Im gonna need another website like YT to post my videos on (which will be hard since all my videos are rendered for YT HD widescreen )

[Willen]

Every video that gets uploaded is available to be downloaded at original, full quality. Streaming (preview) option enabled or not.

Just to let you know, you can download and save videos from streaming sites like U-tube. Streaming is downloading with temporary saving, so it's not difficult to get a browser plugin that allows copying that streamed video to a permanent file on your hard drive. The quality is generally lower compared to the original file due to the conversion that is usually needed to make the video stream-friendly.

And to be clear, you don't have to upload any videos to this site. The only stipulation is that if you announce a video it should have an entry in the database. You can included YT links in your announcement thread but you'll need to use a service like TinyURL since direct links to YT don't work since the word filter kills them. I'm not sure if YT links work in the video description page, but TinyURL links work fine.

The streaming feature here is an extension of the download option that lets people preview the videos they may be interested in (hence the reason why the streaming links are labeled 'preview'). I believe someone brought up the same concerns as you when we were discussing the streaming feature before it was implemented and they got a similar reply.

[Kai Stromler]

I'm pretty sure that the word filter only applies to the forum; I've seen links over to there in journals several times. If you want to point people at your YT stream from your catalog entry, the best way to do it is probably with an indirect link (step 4 when entering a video, in your case (so far) this) so that the video will come up as "downloadable" in the search, then explain what it's pointing at in the video info page and/or in the link comments.

hth,

--K

[kossyremp]

Thanks guys! I used TinyURL, and yes I do know that you can get websites and programs that can download from youtube but (a) not many people do that because most people dont even know you can and (b) even if they did the quality is reduced, and with some programs Ive seen it reduces them REALLY bad.

[Nya-chan Production]

I'm pretty sure that the word filter only applies to the forum; I've seen links over to there in journals several times. If you want to point people at your YT stream from your catalog entry, the best way to do it is probably with an indirect link (step 4 when entering a video, in your case (so far) this) so that the video will come up as "downloadable" in the search, then explain what it's pointing at in the video info page and/or in the link comments.

hth,

--K

I think you can't insert YT link as indirect, there were a few people pointing at that few times.

Thanks guys! I used TinyURL, and yes I do know that you can get websites and programs that can download from boochsack but (a) not many people do that because most people dont even know you can and (b) even if they did the quality is reduced, and with some programs Ive seen it reduces them REALLY bad.

If you grab them right, you can get the full YT quality (in fact it's fairly simple to grab the flv version just from your history, though some websites might grab the mp4 version).
I still don't get your need to make them indownloadable, since that just means that anyone who wants to see it has to be online and can't get any better version than the streaming one (which riuns through some encoding, so it always gets quality loss). But, well, your fight.

[Dar]

I have really high quality amvs from boobtube lol.

And its nice to be able to watch some amvs without using youtube yno, i have about 20 amvs on my ipod.

[Scintilla]

I still don't get your need to make them indownloadable, since that just means that anyone who wants to see it has to be online and can't get any better version than the streaming one (which riuns through some encoding, so it always gets quality loss). But, well, your fight.

This has actually been cited to me before as a reason one AMVer didn't want to put her videos on this site -- so that it's not any easier than it needs to be to steal her videos. I tried to tell her that the mods here actually take care of cases of video plagiarism when it's brought to their attention, but my point is that it's actually not an uncommon sentiment.

[hasteroth]

Now that I think about it.

It's the same thing as wanting to get a book published but only allow people to read it in the store and not be allowed to purchase it.

Or developing a video game and not letting people purchase it and only let them play it in the store.

Or producing a movie and only showing it in theatres and never releasing it on DVD.

It's a ridiculous idea.

[Emotive]

It's the same thing as wanting to get a book published but only allow people to read it in the store and not be allowed to purchase it.

Or developing a video game and not letting people purchase it and only let them play it in the store.

That's a quite stupid thing to say. A book or a game can take days to finish, while amvs can go down to below 1 minute in length and the vast majority of them doesn't surpass the 5 minute mark.

Or producing a movie and only showing it in theatres and never releasing it on DVD.

That is also a very different thing, both from the two others and from streaming amvs..

But that being said, being able to download an amv to watch it offline Is important (even in those days when most people are able to access decent internet 24/7). Not to mention the quality factor, as encoding your amv after you've finished editing is growing more and more into an art of its own, Especially in those days of high definition stuff.

[hasteroth]

It's the same thing as wanting to get a book published but only allow people to read it in the store and not be allowed to purchase it.

Or developing a video game and not letting people purchase it and only let them play it in the store.

That's a quite stupid thing to say. A book or a game can take days to finish, while amvs can go down to below 1 minute in length and the vast majority of them doesn't surpass the 5 minute mark.

Or producing a movie and only showing it in theatres and never releasing it on DVD.

That is also a very different thing, both from the two others and from streaming amvs..

But that being said, being able to download an amv to watch it offline Is important (even in those days when most people are able to access decent internet 24/7). Not to mention the quality factor, as encoding your amv after you've finished editing is growing more and more into an art of its own, Especially in those days of high definition stuff.

You fail to understand the principal. it Does not matter the amount of effort put forward or the length of it.

Allowing someone access and enjoy something but not letting them have it in their possession because they could steal it is the issue here. And it's idiotic because, like commercial products (books, movies, and games) they are catalogued.

Though there is a second issue of course, quality.

He uploads to Youtube because that way, people cannot download it as easily (not entirely true though), and even if they could they would lose alot of quality. As Nya-chan said that is not true because it is very easy to grab the full quality .flv from youtube. The loss of quality comes from the re-encoding into .flv not the downloading. Which would be the same case with the streaming here on the org.