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[SSJ Zero]

what is the punk of today?

It will probably come when we least expect it. And then it will become mainstream, and we will be back where we started. Damn repetitive cycle.

[Rozard]

First off, I have to say that I love your avatar, SSJ Zero. Nick Hexum kicks ass

But, I feel that it's kind of evolved into something new. Nobody really called Nirvana punk back in the early 90's, but they were. I know so many bands have infused different kinds of music together, whether it be metal and hardcore, indy rock and jazz, whatever, my point is, so many genres have stemmed from what punk is. If there was no punk, then there is no television, no television, no gang of four, if there is no gang of four, theres no sonic youth. So although a band like sonic youth sounds absolutly nothing like mid 70's punk, and none of those bands are your prototypical punk bands, they all did come from those punk rock roots. To me, thats still punk rock. In fact it's even more punk rock, because at least it's come from some sense of originality. It took a bit of A, a bit of B, and made up their own C and came up with something new.
Isn't that what the Ramones and Sex Pistols did?

Not really. The Ramones just stripped rock back to its bare basics: E-A-B chord progressions and a rebellious attitude. Wasn't their first album something like 21 songs in 44 minutes? My whole point is that Punk, just straight, original Punk, is no longer an active genre. The same with Rock 'n' Roll. My whole argument is that artists have taked aspects of Punk and created new genres, thus rendering the original obsolete in a way. There roots are in Punk, but they're something else.

Now, on the other hand, Punk is also used as a term for "music not of the mainstream." What is the punk of today? Polka. Always has been, always will Heh, not quite. Again, with underground music, there's no telling what you're going to get. Hell, Punk was a pretty mixed bag. I don't think you could pull out a specific style of music that is concurrent with all underground artists. The band that I was in sounded like a mix of Led Zeppelin, The Doors and some other classic rock bands, but we also had an Alternative Rock element, as well as Emo.

punk may be dead, it may be alive, it may just be wounded, but the fact remains that the majority of punk music is awful
lets dance
har har har

Thanks for that input, temjin

Not to sound Behind the Music-esqe, but punk rock defined a generation, and punk rock is still alive in the hearts of millions. But adding to what Rozard said, the constant split of different genres pretty much put the final bullet in the personified head that is punk rock.

Thanks for the support Ah, yes! The Punk Rock spirit! Basically, it's rebeliousness, and doing your own thing while not giving a fuck about what others think. I don't think that spirit will ever die. Hell, it's spreading. Look at Japan. The elderly Japanese are worried about the country's future because the youth are not respecting and practicing the behavior that is their culture.

My next question is this: what is the punk of today? What genre of music are people listening to underground that's having the same effect on my generation that punk had on earlier generations? I'm beginning to think that there IS no such thing anymore. I don't think that there is now a genre of music that is so offensive and in-your-face as punk was a while back.

And with that, I'll end my post. It's gone on long enough

[SSJ Zero]

First off, I have to say that I love your avatar, SSJ Zero. Nick Hexum kicks ass

Gracias Rozard, I like the cut of your jib.

[moooooo]

First off, I have to say that I love your avatar, SSJ Zero. Nick Hexum kicks ass

But, I feel that it's kind of evolved into something new. Nobody really called Nirvana punk back in the early 90's, but they were. I know so many bands have infused different kinds of music together, whether it be metal and hardcore, indy rock and jazz, whatever, my point is, so many genres have stemmed from what punk is. If there was no punk, then there is no television, no television, no gang of four, if there is no gang of four, theres no sonic youth. So although a band like sonic youth sounds absolutly nothing like mid 70's punk, and none of those bands are your prototypical punk bands, they all did come from those punk rock roots. To me, thats still punk rock. In fact it's even more punk rock, because at least it's come from some sense of originality. It took a bit of A, a bit of B, and made up their own C and came up with something new.
Isn't that what the Ramones and Sex Pistols did?

Not really. The Ramones just stripped rock back to its bare basics: E-A-B chord progressions and a rebellious attitude. Wasn't their first album something like 21 songs in 44 minutes? My whole point is that Punk, just straight, original Punk, is no longer an active genre. The same with Rock 'n' Roll. My whole argument is that artists have taked aspects of Punk and created new genres, thus rendering the original obsolete in a way. There roots are in Punk, but they're something else.

Now, on the other hand, Punk is also used as a term for "music not of the mainstream." What is the punk of today? Polka. Always has been, always will Heh, not quite. Again, with underground music, there's no telling what you're going to get. Hell, Punk was a pretty mixed bag. I don't think you could pull out a specific style of music that is concurrent with all underground artists. The band that I was in sounded like a mix of Led Zeppelin, The Doors and some other classic rock bands, but we also had an Alternative Rock element, as well as Emo.


And with that, I'll end my post. It's gone on long enough

heh, well said. I don't know about that polka thing though