[Quit deleting my posts]

[-Reda-]

You fuckshit mods need to stop deleting all my posts. I thought we talked about this already?

Edit: As for the privledges you mentioned in that email to me...what forum privledges? If you faggots don't let me make a post on your fucking forums, don't act all high and mighty for letting me be here, because if thats what you call what you're doing reach down into your deep assholes and pull your head hard...maybe then it'll finally come out.

[dreamawake]

Yeah well u know how the establishment works, if ur not a KOOLKID u cant even partake in a forum joke. Even when it's perfectly relevant to a topic. It's like the guy07 is gay thing that everybody gets away with joke-spamming.

Now, hold on man. I'm not trying to scam anybody here. This will not stand man, this aggression will not stand. Ya know?

Kevs a faggot.

[Corran]

You fuckshit mods need to stop deleting all my posts.

None of the posts you made since the reply I sent were deleted. (Because they were within the forum rules) If you are referring to the post you made before that time saying "Kev's a faggot..." then I'm not sure why you would expect us to not remove it.

I thought we talked about this already?

I kind of feel like I should be the one asking that question... In any case, I had assumed so, but you never replied to the email I sent. Based on your recent posting I had figured that you had taken what I said into consideration...

[Otohiko]

-Reda-,

I’ve been passed along your feedback from before by one of the .org admins, and since I’m the one who handled your situation in the MEP forum a couple of weeks ago, I feel like it’s my duty to respond. That said, I am responding not on behalf of the administration right now, but from my own personal opinion, because I feel strongly that what you have done is wrong and your defense of your actions is totally unfounded.

First of all, there has been no concerted effort to single out anyone. On my part in this situation, all I’ve done was go in the MEP forum and observe. This is strictly the only method I have used to moderate the forums since I joined the administration a few weeks ago. I made no effort to go after you – all I had to do was check threads with posts that I hadn’t yet read, and we all know what I’ve found. Very many people’s posts were treated the same and, well, for some reason you were the only one to insist on your right to keep that post. Don’t put yourself out as a martyr for free speech. You’ve repeatedly abused your forum privileges in gross ways and I honestly don't see how you can claim a say in this. I’ve gone very leniently on you, more so than you deserved based on your behaviour. Perhaps this is because I actually believe in your ability to be a good contributing member and wanted to give you another chance.

As to the MEP forum in general, the fact that it has been lightly moderated before is simply the result of mods having limited time and having more important things to look at. This does not exempt it from rules, and they have been enforced in other forums (like General AMV) more thoroughly all along since they had higher priority in times when few moderators were available. Now that two new moderators have come on board, the administration has a bit more resources to deal with forum moderation. So, the MEP forum again gets looked at. Notice, by the way, that the vast majority of this type of spam dating back several months has now been removed from all threads where it was seen as inappropriate and abusive. And if you see some remaining and are unhappy with it, the appropriate response is not to point at it and say "I can do that too!", but to point it out to the moderators.

On the point of mods being anti-community: you know, I agreed to be mod precisely because I care about the community and want it to grow and improve. I genuinely believe in the fact that a community needs more than just an ‘object’ around which it’s built (like AMVs in our case), it needs socialization and spirit. And I have absolutely no problem if threads in any forum go a little OT. As long as it’s not the predominant mode of discourse, a bit of OT is healthy and necessary. I welcome people being a bit funny and creative. I welcome people mentioning stuff going on in their lives when they talk about MEPs. I’m fine if people occasionally want a bit of sympathy or offer it to others, and I won’t ‘raid’ an MEP thread if people spend a page of it telling someone happy birthday or something like that. But I draw a clear line between good, useful, community-building (but necessarily occasional) digressions and posts that have no value other than to draw attention, waste people’s time, display narcissism, disdain or disrespect, or just plain old offend. What value did your infamous repeating "page 69" post add? Do you seriously believe that inane memes add ANYTHING good to the community? Do you seriously believe that this is a battle of free expression versus censorship?

This to me, -Reda-, is a matter of basic respect versus disrespect for the community and the hobby. There is nothing creative or “adult” to what you have been doing with your recent MEP forum posts. You are not an advocate for creativity or free expression in this case. You are an advocate for a free right to behave anti-socially in the community, the very opposite of what makes a community healthy and mature. And I won’t stand down on this issue just because you put on a facade of rationality to conceal your own basic disrespect for other members as well as the administration of this forum. If you would like to be rational, please explain exactly how your behaviour in situations like the one you were suspended for does anything other than damage the community and erode respect for the site as a whole, and then perhaps we can reason.

There will always be issues on the forum. There will always be cases that are missed, and cases where an individual mod might not see a problem but another will. There are always going to be strange cases and grey areas. Obviously we are working to be as consistent and fair in this as we can. What I can say is that when posts have an obviously abusive purpose, they will be removed - once or repeatedly, if necessary. Just because I or another mod has missed something, somewhere else, at some other point in time, doesn't mean that we make a policy of overlooking obvious problems that require moderation. Others may have a different view of this, but as a forum moderator I see my job as regards individual posts as this: if I see a post that is obviously in violation of rules, I will deal with it. If there is another post somewhere else on the forum made at some point in time by some other member that was similar that I had not come across - well, what can I do about that? It's absurd to expect a mod to consider the whole of the forum and to dwell on context or look for examples in making his/her judgment - not to say that we do not take context into account, and I think mods have been quite sensitive to particular situations and have always been willing to talk things over when there are community issues and misunderstandings. I think administrative work in the AMV community pretty much requires mods to be well-attuned to dealing with grey areas and being diplomatic when it is called for. But when it comes to basic rules, etiquette and purpose of the forums, abusive posts should and will be deleted as quickly as possible upon being found by a mod. There is no grey area in these. And I do not feel that we need to defend our decisions in cases where posts are clearly against forum rules, even if we occasionally miss similar posts elsewhere, or if another mod in another time and another thread dealt with a similar situation differently.

It would be awfully convenient for those who insist on abusing the forum if every single mod decision had to consider the forum's history and be backed up by examples of moderation elsewhere - because then a mod would get bogged down in decisionmaking and while he/she decides whether to remove a post or not, 10 more of this nature can be made and it becomes an uphill battle where consistency is all the more unfeasible. Meanwhile, a decision that is essentially correct and in line with site policy can be made momentarily based on rules alone. This was exactly how I decided to delete several of your posts in the MEP forum. And subsequently, you were banned - not for making the post, but for insisting on it and wasting both my and others' time in repeating your pointless anti-social "feat", while also making offensive and completely inappropriate remarks. The only sense in which I considered your personal history on the forums was that I knew that you were not likely to stop then and there - you were known for previously making repeatedly-abusive posts. The ban was thus directed not at punishing you but at stopping you from wasting any more of anyone's time (including your own) that day, and giving you a cool-off period to consider the warning which you were sent prior to the ban. If this to you is an example of bad moderation, then I'm sorry but you really seem to have a strange sense of what is 'good' for the forum and its' membership.

Thanks,
-Oto

[-Reda-]

If you are referring to the post you made before that time saying "Kev's a faggot..." then I'm not sure why you would expect us to not remove it.

It's an inside joke with the MEP, kev and I are good friends. Plenty of other Meps have equally useless posts but those get to stay.

[-Reda-]

What value did your infamous repeating "page 69" post add? Do you seriously believe that inane memes add ANYTHING good to the community? Do you seriously believe that this is a battle of free expression versus censorship?

I just don't see anything wrong with it; its fun and goofy. Now memes are against the rules? Or any post that doesn't contribute anything doesn't belong here either? It lightened the mood. And I know you're going to claim, "I thought that ha ha was at the thread and thats why we removed it" but I refuse to believe not one of your staff members have seen Phil Ken Sebben laugh at something dirty in Harvey Birdman.

And if you see some remaining and are unhappy with it, the appropriate response is not to point at it and say "I can do that too!", but to point it out to the moderators.

I'll do my best in this regard, but I'm not going to tell you how to do your job. In the email Corran sent back to me regarding inthestos sig, he mentioned something along the lines of "If someone gets offended, we'll remove it." Isn't it your job to make sure someone DOESN'T get offended? Why would you wait until someone takes something the wrong way, which they inevitably will?

More Otohiko email

I have to say out of all the mods here who I'm pissed off at, you're not one of them. You seem like a pretty logical decent minded person, and your email is pretty on par although I have to say I'd accept the fact that people have a different sense of humor then you do. "Kev is a faggot" was an inside joke for the Mep, and just that. I didn't spam it all over the place, I didn't write it rudely, it's just some idle conversation on the mep. I'm not defending it, I'm not asking for a rebuttal on your part, I'm explaining the post to you so maybe YOU'LL get it.

And also while we're on the issue of moderator discussion, I'd like an explanation for why NME was banned from the IRC for doing nothing wrong. I've never heard anything back on this issue yet.

[godix]

You know, I'm probably the user with the most posts ever removed by the mods. If not, I gotta at least be in the running for it. So, speaking as someone who has been in your position many many times, I gotta say: Shut the fuck up -Reda-. If you cross a line and the mods slap you down for it then don't whine. Temper tantrums amuse no one.

[guy07]

I'm glad we all learned something today. Reda learned to do as he/she is told (you have to respect/obey authority figures regardless of their form), the mods learned not to discriminate, and I figured out that people talk about the gay jokes about me even in threads I have nothing to do with.
And honestly, who cares if the post was deleted? It's not like the secret to world peace was in that post. THB, I think you're just acting sort of spoiled, but I don't really know you so my view could be wrong. Just leave shit as it is and go on, raising a fuss won't do you any good.

[dreamawake]

Yeah because bringing up the issue of moderator discrimination makes you spoiled.

[Kariudo]

Yeah because bringing up the issue of moderator discrimination makes you spoiled.

Uhh...no
Thinking that the mods are out to get you and using that as an excuse to go on a (or several) rampage(s) makes you spoiled