Why tying "video quality" to frame size and rate is dumb.

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Re: Why tying "video quality" to frame size and rate is dumb.

Post by Subtle Sorrow » Fri Jun 12, 2009 10:08 am

Who cares haha.

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Re: Why tying "video quality" to frame size and rate is dumb.

Post by ZephyrStar » Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:10 am

Excellent post. "quality" is not the same thing as "resolution."

For example, I got some "high quality" raws for a video that were upscaled to 720p from an SD source, and that were captured for some reason at 120fps. I tried to work with these and they looked horrible. (and they were also a gigantic pain in the ass to conform the framerate to a 24p project) I opted to get the "low quality" raws, 704x400 or thereabouts. These were actually HIGHER quality since they contained MORE original data and less interpolated data. With minor avs script tweaking, I had them looking SOOO much better than the upscales. In the end, I edited the video at the native raw res, then upscaled this to 848x480. I got a lot of comments and questions asking me where I got such nice looking source. (at the time I don't think the R2's were out) I also got a lot of "can I get that godlike avs script you have." Sure, here you go.
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ffvideosource("Lucky Star - 01RAW.avi")
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Re: Why tying "video quality" to frame size and rate is dumb.

Post by mirkosp » Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:19 am

Chris... you were doing so great... but then... why deen... :(
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Re: Why tying "video quality" to frame size and rate is dumb.

Post by Niotex » Fri Jun 12, 2009 12:13 pm

480@24P is fine =|

Sad thing is I know I'll get hell for it when/if I release it.
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Re: Why tying "video quality" to frame size and rate is dumb.

Post by Knowname » Fri Jun 12, 2009 12:18 pm

Fall_Child42 wrote:I like the bottom screen cap better.
I know you could see the blocks SO much more clearly. Blocks are underrated
If you do not think so... you will DIE

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Re: Why tying "video quality" to frame size and rate is dumb.

Post by ZephyrStar » Fri Jun 12, 2009 12:24 pm

mirkosp wrote:Chris... you were doing so great... but then... why deen... :(
deen is godlike. It gets rid of so much of the subtle noise in animation, really makes for a clean frame.

"THROW SOME DEEN UP ON THAT BITCH"

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Re: Why tying "video quality" to frame size and rate is dumb.

Post by -Reda- » Fri Jun 12, 2009 12:40 pm

Your argument is fine, but I also don't think anyone here will disagree with the fact that blu-ray resolution and quality is much higher than DVD; that can't and won't be argued, and thats all I was saying. Dvd quality is fine, just like a 9 is fine, which is what I gave you before you had to throw a hissy fit. Also, I understand that you can scale that up infinitely or as much as you want or whatever, but what you distribute it in and show people is what you're going to get reviewed. I really could give a rats ass that you CAN do that. If you want to, go for it.

As for making a thread to bitch about this, really? You had to? I know of course you can have a video in 720p that's upscaled that looks like horse shit; we all do. No there is not a SOLID connection between resolution and quality when it comes to AMVs. I was only saying that there ARE bluray rips of shit accessible and will probably eventually become the standard for releases here on the org; certain editors are already moving on to 720p sources or even 1080p.

I gave you a 9 for quality because I think your quality is FINE. This is like complaining that you got a 90% on an essay instead of a 100%; it's still an A, its still good. It could always be better though. So go change your tampons, come back, and maybe try to be a little reasonable because for a video that boasts so much testosterone, all the editors for it keep acting like spoiled 15 year old girls.
*sips tea*

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Re: Why tying "video quality" to frame size and rate is dumb.

Post by LittleAtari » Fri Jun 12, 2009 12:41 pm

A '9' in quality is NOT BAD. It means that it's practically perfect but could have been better. Here's the deal, the quality of testosROS could have been better. The 3-D part could have been made at 720p. I have gotten OPs from other people who have said the same thing. It's not unusual and I think that it's ridiculous to get all worked up over a '9'. Nice way to call out Reda on it though and keep crying that you have gotten to go through the same thing that EVERYONE goes through when getting an OP :up: I can't tell you how many times I've gotten an OP where someone will say that there's nothing wrong with the quality, but gave me a '9'.

Keep in mind, an OP is just one person's perception of your video. It's supposed to give you insight on what others may think about your video, so that you can keep it in mind for next time. If you dont want to make a video at 720p with a higher frame rate, then dont. Your quality will still be enjoyable, but I dont think it's wrong to know someone down one point because let's face it 480p is not the best quality and giving a video a 10 would mean that it is.

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Re: Why tying "video quality" to frame size and rate is dumb.

Post by Niotex » Fri Jun 12, 2009 12:43 pm

People seem to miss that TestorROS is strictly used as an example here.
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Re: Why tying "video quality" to frame size and rate is dumb.

Post by dreamawake » Fri Jun 12, 2009 12:50 pm

trythil wrote:Finally, you can take this post as a reminder that video quality is, in the grand scheme of things, an utterly pointless thing to get worked up about.
Says the person who felt the need to make a thread over a simple comment in an opinion.

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