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Post by Otohiko » Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:16 am

Cast to Stone wrote:
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Flint the Dwarf wrote:I use all my unused votes to send Dog Fashion Disco into the 'Hall of Fame'. And since this is nothing about fame or quality, you must uphold my vote relegation. They should be in there with all the other metal bands.
Dude. System of a Down is so not metal :o
Portishead is :o
Portishead is everything, yo.

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Fine, I'll use my other post for the day to stay on topic:

Die Apokalyptischen Reiter - 18
Dog Fashion Disco - 26
Buckethead - 22 Save
Equilibrium - 10
Boris - 20 Kill
Mastodon - 28

MOAR BUCKETHEAD
http://tinyurl.com/62afgz
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Post by Otohiko » Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:17 am

Otohiko wrote: Die Apokalyptischen Reiter - 18
Dog Fashion Disco - 26
Buckethead - 24 Save
Equilibrium - 10
Boris - 18 Kill
Mastodon - 28

MOAR BUCKETHEAD
http://tinyurl.com/62afgz
fix'd :roll:
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Post by Kevmaster » Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:06 am

Die Apokalyptischen Reiter - 18
Dog Fashion Disco - 26
Buckethead - 20 KILL
Equilibrium - 10
Boris - 22 SAVE
Mastodon - 28


I know and like Buckethead, but compared to the others, he's the weakest imo.

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Post by Otohiko » Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:40 am

Kevmaster wrote:Die Apokalyptischen Reiter - 18
Dog Fashion Disco - 26
Buckethead - 22 KILL
Equilibrium - 10
Boris - 20 SAVE
Mastodon - 28


I know and like Buckethead, but compared to the others, he's the weakest imo.
Fix'd (note the error I originally made in my second vote today, which I "fix'd" in the quoted post above)

Ehh.... Buckethead >>> Boris, in my view.

At the risk of being politically incorrect and generalizing too much, I find that Japan produces a lot of sterile instrumentalists. It might be a cultural thing - and actually, I find that Japanese instrumentalists have good discipline and combine very well with European and American musicians, but on their own have a real deficiency in terms of chops and intensity. They do make up for it in one way - they have a good sense of subtlety and texture. Which is why genres like shoegaze and post-[whatever] are very popular in Japan, I find - and I dislike both; a more appropriate term for them would be navelgaze and post-intelligent, attempting to find depth in mind-numbing monotony and cliched dynamics, which in my view are just ways to mask a lack of chops and a restricted compositional mindset. The alternative to this in Japanese music is assaulting the listener with fuck-your-mom's-ears wall of noise and banging, which is again reflected in two popular streams in Japan - noise music and Japanese varieties of extreme metal. Again, masks lack of chops and a restricted compositional mindset.

Boris (and several other Japanese bands I know, like my brother's favorite 'post-hardcore' band Envy) do both texturist navelgazing and wall-of-noise banging - and are thoroughly underwhelming in either one. They have interesting ideas but are relatively poor instrumentalists. And they also have completely horrid sound design. If Steve Wilson ran a bootcamp for sound design/production, I'd send them there pronto, they need it bad.

Buckethead, meanwhile, has 4x more chops, compositional talent and 'soul' than the two guitar players (if you count the wacky 2-neck bassist) in Boris combined. Nay, I'll even say that Buckethead has more chops, compositional talent and 'soul' than all guitarists in the current lineup combined! and I'm not even that much of a Buckethead fan. He's just a solid instrumentalist, a very good composer, and has a thoroughly refined taste for electric guitar sound.
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Post by Kevmaster » Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:29 am

You explained your point pretty well, but I must say that I completely disagree with anything* you said.

Sorry :lol:

*except for the last part: "He's just a solid instrumentalist, a very good composer, and has a thoroughly refined taste for electric guitar sound."

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Post by Otohiko » Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:34 am

Kevmaster wrote:You explained your point pretty well, but I must say that I completely disagree with anything* you said.

Sorry :lol:

*except for the last part: "He's just a solid instrumentalist, a very good composer, and has a thoroughly refined taste for electric guitar sound."
:D

This is just like a conversation with my brother. It's fine, really.

Me and my brother have very different tastes in music, and both consider them to be highly advanced. The big difference is that I have very much inherited my notions of music from our dad (who has been a professional musician his whole life), while my brother always went against them. So I'll always argue for music in terms of instrumental ability, composition, melody/harmony/rhythm, sound design, poetic merits and so on - and he'll always counter with "but it has emotion", and you can't make him back off that.

So I've given up. I realize "emotion" isn't something people can show to me, but I won't act like a total cock and pretend it's something they made up to cover their ass. There's probably something to it, but I don't get it. I'm not at all an analytical listener, even though I can be when I need to back up my intuitions, so I can at least acknowledge that if someone gets some kind of feel from the music, they're probably right.

Although strictly on musical merits, I'll keep slapping them with prejudice if they start questioning merits of my music choices :P
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Post by AaronAMV » Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:26 pm

Die Apokalyptischen Reiter - 18
Dog Fashion Disco - 28 SAVE
Buckethead - 20
Equilibrium - 10
Boris - 20 KILL
Mastodon - 28
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Post by Orwell » Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:54 pm

Die Apokalyptischen Reiter - 18
Dog Fashion Disco - 30 SAVE
Buckethead - 18 Kill
Equilibrium - 10
Boris - 20
Mastodon - 28
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Post by LeapofFate » Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:39 pm

Die Apokalyptischen Reiter - 16 KILL
Dog Fashion Disco - 30
Buckethead - 20 SAVE
Equilibrium - 10
Boris - 20
Mastodon - 28
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Post by Kevmaster » Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:36 am

Die Apokalyptischen Reiter - 16
Dog Fashion Disco - 30
Buckethead - 18 KILL
Equilibrium - 10
Boris - 22 SAVE
Mastodon - 28

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