A good read...

Pwolf · Post by **Pwolf** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:05 pm

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122367645363324303.html

meleechampion · Post by **meleechampion** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:22 pm

fuck yeah, girl talk.

shonen_jidai · Post by **shonen_jidai** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:24 pm

Interesting indeed. Unfortunately, I don't really see the kind of copyright reform advocated in the article happening any time soon. I say this because nothing will change until either someone sees some profit to change, or the big media companies go after the wrong people and some significant backlash occurs. In the meantime, the *AA and similar groups have no disincentive to their current abuses.

But in the longer view, if indeed the old business models the *AA are fighting to prop up are on the way out. Then eventually they'll collapse like the dinosaurs they are, giving rise to something new. If there is a way for artists to make money in this new world, then someone will surely do it. I think we are already seeing some measure of this emerging with the slow death of DRM and the rise of legitimate digital delivery services. This won't change copyright law by itself, but the death of the old business models may open the way reform or at least remove some of the opposition to that reform.

meleechampion · Post by **meleechampion** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:31 pm

This war must end. It is time we recognize that we can't kill this creativity. We can only criminalize it. We can't stop our kids from using these tools to create, or make them passive. We can only drive it underground, or make them "pirates." And the question we as a society must focus on is whether this is any good. Our kids live in an age of prohibition, where more and more of what seems to them to be ordinary behavior is against the law. They recognize it as against the law. They see themselves as "criminals." They begin to get used to the idea.

Scariest truth of the article.

Then again, when have the old NOT viewed the young as delinquents?

Pwolf · Post by **Pwolf** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:38 pm

I wonder how many editors here edit and make amvs and don't realize it's illegal?

mirkosp · Post by **mirkosp** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 3:56 pm

Pwolf wrote:I wonder how many editors here edit and make amvs and don't realize it's illegal?

More than what you think, actually... most people aren't aware of that, or just say that amv are legal under fair use...

JaddziaDax · Post by **JaddziaDax** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 5:12 pm

"The vocal chords will be eliminated by a process of evolution"
This is an ironic line, because so many vocalists today are pitch-shifted and spliced together for their record albums it's practically true.

The only thing that bugs me about a lot of these articles is that they belittle us to "kids that don't know what we are up against" and well that's not entirely the truth.

"Gen-X" Wasn't that what the media was calling Teenagers when I was a kid? Shouldn't they be like Gen-Z or something now?

As for the mentions about political campaign's getting their footage pulled - I have to say I donno I guess If I were an artist/company I wouldn't want to see my music/video promoting a candidate that I don't like... it's a lot different when its used in an attempt to get someone in power... O.o

Infinity Squared · Post by **Infinity Squared** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:08 pm

We're supposed to be "Gen Y" and it's a play on our generation always asking "why?"

It's definitely a very questioning generation, one which is living in its own mindset but is stuck by the physical constraint of a much slower evolving establishment. I think it's not until our generation has actually gotten to the place where we have the power, i.e. when we're the ones whom the next generation is questioning, will we see these kinds of changes happen.

godix · Post by **godix** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 5:47 am

mirkosp wrote:
Pwolf wrote:I wonder how many editors here edit and make amvs and don't realize it's illegal?
More than what you think, actually... most people aren't aware of that, or just say that amv are legal under fair use...

There's a semi-decent argument to be made that they actually are. It's not settled case law of course, but then again AMV = illegal isn't settled case law either. I pity whoever will become the test case, if things ever come to that.

Infinity Squared wrote:We're supposed to be "Gen Y" and it's a play on our generation always asking "why?"

Really? I assumed the GenY name came about because someone didn't know what the term Generation X actually refers to and thought it was an alphabetical thing. I was kinda looking forward to GenZ then GenAA. Besides, I always thought their name being a bastardized ripping off their parent generation culture but fucking it all up because they're morons without a clue what it really meant fits GenY rather well.

Yeah yeah, I'm old. I know. Get off my lawn, you bastards.

Infinity Squared · Post by **Infinity Squared** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:59 am

Infinity Squared wrote:We're supposed to be "Gen Y" and it's a play on our generation always asking "why?"

Really? I assumed the GenY name came about because someone didn't know what the term Generation X actually refers to and thought it was an alphabetical thing. I was kinda looking forward to GenZ then GenAA. Besides, I always thought their name being a bastardized ripping off their parent generation culture but fucking it all up because they're morons without a clue what it really meant fits GenY rather well.[/quote]

Well... bear in my it's GenY people who are actually putting together this description... and what kind of generation thinks itself moronic.