why is metal almost nonexistent in amvs?
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A: *sends song*
B: its too long, gets repetetive
A: its not long at all, that song is only 3:19 -_- how can it be too long?
B: but its "METAL"
A: You didn't even finish listening the song..right?
B: its just beats guitar and some screams anyway \o/ what am i missing?
A: you seriously have not the slighest knowledge of music =(
B: in metal music...probably not
A: metal is the most complex and melodic music existing.
B: Yeah complex... Metal bands obviously lack music writing talent
A: HAHAHAHA, Omfg. Statement of the year. *laughs out so loud that my neighbours would think Im fucked up (if i had neighbours)*
B: lol everyone who ever held a guitar can write metal music...or played drums
A: You will find the most poetic lyrics in metal.
B: no i dont mean the lyrics, I mean the notes
A: LMFAO, then its even more hilarious.
B: the riffs are boring, the songs are repetetive and the sound lacks freshness
A: thank you for the great laughs man. Thank you so much.
B: No problem. lol its funny how all you metalheads think the same....well somewhat
A: Ima copy this convo and show it to some people for the lulz :3
B: really? now who are you going to show it to? the people that think like you? that think that metal music isnt a waste of skills?
A: ur so ignorant..
B: yeah, prove me wrong. then i'll accept that im ignorant. Show me how unique, complex and awesome metal is rofl
A: listen to Opeth.
B: I don't like them much, but even so theyre an exception.
A: listen to Dark Tranqulity, Bathory, Immortal, ... There are so many great metal bands out there.
B: that sound really really similar, Metal needs more sound variety.
A: XD. XDD. X'D. X''D. X'''D.
A: There is black metal, death metal, melodic death/black metal, symphonic metal, thrash metal, heavy metal, power metal, speed metal, progressive metal, technical metal, dark metal. industrial metal, avant-garde metal, gothic metal, groove metal, viking metal, stoner metal, sludge metal, folk metal,...
A: maybe even alt/nu metal if you will, plus all those several metal bands that mix their music with hardcore-genres, such as metalcore, deathcore, ...
B: k, now give me like 5 songs of diffrent genres. i can even compare the rythmic patterns.
A: so you want to base your opinion on 5 songs?
B: i want to base my opinion on 5 genres
A: you can't limit a whole genre to 1 song.
B: i dont want to base my opinion, i want to compare 5 songs from diffrent metal sub-genres
A: I could even send you 5 songs from the same genre and they wouldn't sound any bit the same. but what I am doing this for anyway?
B: to prove your point?
A: I don't even need to prove you wrong.
B: i see.
A: It's obvious that metal is much more complex that any other genre.
B: yes? xDDD Even classic music? or twee-pop?
A: yes
B: right.
B: look at the structures of metal songs
A: If most classical composers were still alive today, they would all probably be in a metal band.
B: rofl
A: A lot of Metal draws off classical music for influence.
B: rofl, S...no you know why am i doing this, you all metalheads are fucking stubborn as hell, its just pointless
A: we're not stubborn. We just know we're right.
B: yeah
A: so there's no need to withdraw.
B: you believe you're right
B: too much...
A: on top of that
B: you will believe your right even if it will be a fucking fact
A: I am at least backing up my arguments, while you simply make your statements and thats it.
B: lol...
B: yeah
A: You are simply talking about something of which you dont have the slighest lknowledge, yet you claim your opinion to be correct.
B: do you play an instrument?
A: How is that in any way connected to this discussion?
B: you dont, yet you claim that you have knowlege about the complex structures of the songs, etc
A: You don't need to know how to play an instrument to say something about music.
A: You also don't need to know how to cook to say something about your meal.
B: lol
A: Even if you cant sing, you can still see(hear) if someone can sing or not
B: how do you know that metal is complex?
B: did you read it somewhere?
A: I have ears and a working brain.
B: you cant say something like that
unless you know exactly
B: what youre talking about
A: Do you play an instrument?
B: somewhat...
A: what do you play and for long have you been playing?
B: i suck at it pretty bad
B: i play a guitar
B: like 6 months now
B: well
B: not much
A: now tell me, is metal music only based on guitars?
B: no
A: see
A: playing an instrument makes your opinion not any bit more worthy
B:well you see, if you dont know whats easy and whats hard...how can you tell hard from easy?
B:it may sound good, but is it more complex or less complex?
A: There's a difference between hard and complex.
B:it depends on how you use hard
A: yet complex music is naturally harder than simple music.
A: which leads me to the point
B: harder to play
A: that metal music is harder to play than whatever, because complex is generally harder than simple.
B: harder to PLAY
B: not to come up with
B: metal requires more skill than talent
B: end of discussion
B: i win
B: STFU
A: I lol'd.
B: xDDD
A: What's the whole meaning of talent if you have no skill?
A: Its useless.
B: If you have lots of skill and almost no talent...isnt that even worse?
A: you don't need any talent.
B: so skill > talent for you?
A: talent makes the way easier for you, but in the end its only the skill that matters
B: come up with and play
B: first you have to come up with, then you have to play
B: if you cant come up with, you cant play
A: you don't have to write the music yourself, you know.
B: rofl then whats the point of playing it?
A: and if you cant play, how can you write?
B: you can write a very complex melody, even if you cant manage to play it
B:Youre perfectly contempt with the shit youre listening to
A: but then again, how does that in any way contribute to the main topic of the conversation?
B:roots
A: what?
B: nothing
A: and you're still ignorant.
B: or you?
B: one of us is
A: that just proved that youre the ignorant.
B: lol
B: yes yes
B: because ignorance can also be based by the lack of "right" opinions
B: Fact is the opinion of a certain mass of people
A: an opinion is never right. Opinions are based on personality, but in this case, there is no opinion. Theres just right and wrong.
A: and youre wrong.
B:dude, its my opinion on music based on the research ive done!
B: more or less...
B: youre saying its wrong and yet you cant really prove me wrong
A: Metal music is much more complex than any other music.
A: and thats a fact
A: no matter if you like metal music or not.
B: yeah but wheres the proof behind those facts?
A: Read our Conversation again.
B: then it will also depend on what you think is mo...
B: no im not starting this again
A: *laughs* and youre calling metalheads ignorant.
B: ...they kind of are
B: Stubborn and ignorant
B: as i said : Youre perfectly contempt with the shit youre listening to
A: that made no sense.
B: your face makes no sense
B: die
A: stop trying to be me.
B: stop trying to be yourself :I
B: stfu just leave me alone!
A: lmao.
A: Lovely.
B: its too long, gets repetetive
A: its not long at all, that song is only 3:19 -_- how can it be too long?
B: but its "METAL"
A: You didn't even finish listening the song..right?
B: its just beats guitar and some screams anyway \o/ what am i missing?
A: you seriously have not the slighest knowledge of music =(
B: in metal music...probably not
A: metal is the most complex and melodic music existing.
B: Yeah complex... Metal bands obviously lack music writing talent
A: HAHAHAHA, Omfg. Statement of the year. *laughs out so loud that my neighbours would think Im fucked up (if i had neighbours)*
B: lol everyone who ever held a guitar can write metal music...or played drums
A: You will find the most poetic lyrics in metal.
B: no i dont mean the lyrics, I mean the notes
A: LMFAO, then its even more hilarious.
B: the riffs are boring, the songs are repetetive and the sound lacks freshness
A: thank you for the great laughs man. Thank you so much.
B: No problem. lol its funny how all you metalheads think the same....well somewhat
A: Ima copy this convo and show it to some people for the lulz :3
B: really? now who are you going to show it to? the people that think like you? that think that metal music isnt a waste of skills?
A: ur so ignorant..
B: yeah, prove me wrong. then i'll accept that im ignorant. Show me how unique, complex and awesome metal is rofl
A: listen to Opeth.
B: I don't like them much, but even so theyre an exception.
A: listen to Dark Tranqulity, Bathory, Immortal, ... There are so many great metal bands out there.
B: that sound really really similar, Metal needs more sound variety.
A: XD. XDD. X'D. X''D. X'''D.
A: There is black metal, death metal, melodic death/black metal, symphonic metal, thrash metal, heavy metal, power metal, speed metal, progressive metal, technical metal, dark metal. industrial metal, avant-garde metal, gothic metal, groove metal, viking metal, stoner metal, sludge metal, folk metal,...
A: maybe even alt/nu metal if you will, plus all those several metal bands that mix their music with hardcore-genres, such as metalcore, deathcore, ...
B: k, now give me like 5 songs of diffrent genres. i can even compare the rythmic patterns.
A: so you want to base your opinion on 5 songs?
B: i want to base my opinion on 5 genres
A: you can't limit a whole genre to 1 song.
B: i dont want to base my opinion, i want to compare 5 songs from diffrent metal sub-genres
A: I could even send you 5 songs from the same genre and they wouldn't sound any bit the same. but what I am doing this for anyway?
B: to prove your point?
A: I don't even need to prove you wrong.
B: i see.
A: It's obvious that metal is much more complex that any other genre.
B: yes? xDDD Even classic music? or twee-pop?
A: yes
B: right.
B: look at the structures of metal songs
A: If most classical composers were still alive today, they would all probably be in a metal band.
B: rofl
A: A lot of Metal draws off classical music for influence.
B: rofl, S...no you know why am i doing this, you all metalheads are fucking stubborn as hell, its just pointless
A: we're not stubborn. We just know we're right.
B: yeah
A: so there's no need to withdraw.
B: you believe you're right
B: too much...
A: on top of that
B: you will believe your right even if it will be a fucking fact
A: I am at least backing up my arguments, while you simply make your statements and thats it.
B: lol...
B: yeah
A: You are simply talking about something of which you dont have the slighest lknowledge, yet you claim your opinion to be correct.
B: do you play an instrument?
A: How is that in any way connected to this discussion?
B: you dont, yet you claim that you have knowlege about the complex structures of the songs, etc
A: You don't need to know how to play an instrument to say something about music.
A: You also don't need to know how to cook to say something about your meal.
B: lol
A: Even if you cant sing, you can still see(hear) if someone can sing or not
B: how do you know that metal is complex?
B: did you read it somewhere?
A: I have ears and a working brain.
B: you cant say something like that
unless you know exactly
B: what youre talking about
A: Do you play an instrument?
B: somewhat...
A: what do you play and for long have you been playing?
B: i suck at it pretty bad
B: i play a guitar
B: like 6 months now
B: well
B: not much
A: now tell me, is metal music only based on guitars?
B: no
A: see
A: playing an instrument makes your opinion not any bit more worthy
B:well you see, if you dont know whats easy and whats hard...how can you tell hard from easy?
B:it may sound good, but is it more complex or less complex?
A: There's a difference between hard and complex.
B:it depends on how you use hard
A: yet complex music is naturally harder than simple music.
A: which leads me to the point
B: harder to play
A: that metal music is harder to play than whatever, because complex is generally harder than simple.
B: harder to PLAY
B: not to come up with
B: metal requires more skill than talent
B: end of discussion
B: i win
B: STFU
A: I lol'd.
B: xDDD
A: What's the whole meaning of talent if you have no skill?
A: Its useless.
B: If you have lots of skill and almost no talent...isnt that even worse?
A: you don't need any talent.
B: so skill > talent for you?
A: talent makes the way easier for you, but in the end its only the skill that matters
B: come up with and play
B: first you have to come up with, then you have to play
B: if you cant come up with, you cant play
A: you don't have to write the music yourself, you know.
B: rofl then whats the point of playing it?
A: and if you cant play, how can you write?
B: you can write a very complex melody, even if you cant manage to play it
B:Youre perfectly contempt with the shit youre listening to
A: but then again, how does that in any way contribute to the main topic of the conversation?
B:roots
A: what?
B: nothing
A: and you're still ignorant.
B: or you?
B: one of us is
A: that just proved that youre the ignorant.
B: lol
B: yes yes
B: because ignorance can also be based by the lack of "right" opinions
B: Fact is the opinion of a certain mass of people
A: an opinion is never right. Opinions are based on personality, but in this case, there is no opinion. Theres just right and wrong.
A: and youre wrong.
B:dude, its my opinion on music based on the research ive done!
B: more or less...
B: youre saying its wrong and yet you cant really prove me wrong
A: Metal music is much more complex than any other music.
A: and thats a fact
A: no matter if you like metal music or not.
B: yeah but wheres the proof behind those facts?
A: Read our Conversation again.
B: then it will also depend on what you think is mo...
B: no im not starting this again
A: *laughs* and youre calling metalheads ignorant.
B: ...they kind of are
B: Stubborn and ignorant
B: as i said : Youre perfectly contempt with the shit youre listening to
A: that made no sense.
B: your face makes no sense
B: die
A: stop trying to be me.
B: stop trying to be yourself :I
B: stfu just leave me alone!
A: lmao.
A: Lovely.
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I would also suggest that by 'repetition' one could more broadly say 'composition'. Unless you're into some particularly destructive brand of post-modern avant-garde music, all music (and art) tends to be structured in order to make it comprehensible and perhaps enjoyableNerdStrudel wrote:Also I'd like to point out that metal isn't the only genre that is repetitive. most genres are repetitive from band to band, not only metal.
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Kevmaster wrote: A: Listen to Opeth.
B: They're an exception.
Go to your local video store and "research" the movie Metal - A Headbanger's Journey.Kevmaster wrote: B: dude, its my opinion on music based on the research ive done!
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something that bugged me in that convo:
however the way you used it... I'm thinking you meant...dictionary.com wrote:Contempt
5 dictionary results for: contempt
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con·tempt /kənˈtɛmpt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kuhn-tempt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. the feeling with which a person regards anything considered mean, vile, or worthless; disdain; scorn.
2. the state of being despised; dishonor; disgrace.
3. Law.
a. willful disobedience to or open disrespect for the rules or orders of a court (contempt of court) or legislative body.
b. an act showing such disrespect.
in other words, they were satisfied with their opinion, not that they hated their own opinion O.odictionary.com wrote:Content
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con·tent2 /kənˈtɛnt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kuhn-tent] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. satisfied with what one is or has; not wanting more or anything else.
2. British. agreeing; assenting.
3. Archaic. willing.
–verb (used with object)
4. to make content: These things content me.
–noun
5. the state or feeling of being contented; contentment: His content was threatened.
6. (in the British House of Lords) an affirmative vote or voter.
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