would like to get a series confirmed

[Jasta85]

i'll agree that it's not anime or japanese made, however the site does allow original animation, just up until now it has had to have been created by the maker of the amv, i beleive the second part was probably so that people would not be ripping off other people's personal work. And, in all honesty there has not been a huge amount of original animation out there that has been good enough that others aside from the person who actually made it would want to use it to make an entire amv. This is where DF differs. It's original animation but it is both long enough and good enough that people actually want to use it as source material, something that hasnt really been an issue before.
In fact with the current rules monty oum could make an amv using DF and would be perfectly fine posting it here because it is original animation the he himself made. So the problem is not about having amvs using DF, the problem is that people other than the creator (such as myself) want to use it to make their own amvs. If the rule that only the creator can use his own original animation to make amvs was made to stop others from ripping him off then i think it should be allowable for others to use DF for amvs since monty oum has given his permission.

[Scott Green]

....it was not animeted in japan, but it uses animation originated from there (FF and DoA)

There's a valid point here, I do my work by planning it to the music similar to the way AMV's are made. The difference being I make the footage to the soundtrack. On the other hand as far as the content that originates from the games. None of the animation is ported from anywhere but my own two hands. The models on the other hand in part are from the games.

Hope this helps on the decision.

oh I see my mistake
Sorry I actually meant the character designs, I'm aware you're making everything on your own. I guess my wording was bad

[Kitsuner]

If AMVs made with Dead Fantasy footage were against site rules, does that mean AMVs made with AMV footage would also be illegal?

[BasharOfTheAges]

If AMVs made with Dead Fantasy footage were against site rules, does that mean AMVs made with AMV footage would also be illegal?

Not unless those AMVs were made with non-anime by the site's definition. We've come to a defining point, I think. Original animation, according to the site definition, is not anime - to me it seemed like the only reason it was ever allowed is because the admins felt they'd be seen as assholes for denying someone that put so much effort into creating animation for their own video. When you take that work factor out, it's no different than suggesting something like Avatar (styled to look like anime but not anime by the site's definition) should be allowed. It's not (nor should it be) about attribution, but rather about staying true to site definition or realizing the contradictions in it and changing site definition.

[Jasta85]

ok, at least we got a decisive answer, even if it wasnt the one i was hoping for but it's ok. 2 quick questions
1. would i still be able to put a link for my vid in the announcement forums and ask for/trade opinions, even though i wouldnt actually have an opinion forum. I love feedback and this is the best place i can think of.
2. do you know of any other sites on which i could host my video so i could at least share it with other people. i have it on megaupload right now but they tend to remove files occasionally and i dont want to have to rely on boochsack.

thanks

[JaddziaDax]

I think it should be allowed because

1 he gave his permission (which is really awesome of him) and

2 the character designs were from sources that were allowed already.

Think of it this way: if someone made a video using original animation based solely off of Avatar or Disney characters... would we allow that?


And amvs using footage from other amvs have been a huge gray area for a long time... apparently the rule has been: if it causes drama it gets deleted, however if the original amv creator gives permission then it's okay... Godix doesn't seem to count as actual drama.

[Vlad G Pohnert]

Wow, such a long thread already...

Now why do we have to be careful on how we define an AMVs? For the simple reason not to get flooded on here with music videos that are not truly AMVs as this opens the door to a ton of things being uploaded here and having to pay for all that bandwidth. And of course the obvious reason is the scope of this site being AMVs only.

Basically, the rules that we apply approval to basically in a nutshell say:

- Needs to be made in Japan or under the total control of the Japanese (just because it looks like anime but made by someone else does not make it anime)
- Only title directly derived from anime lie robotech or Battle of the Planets , etc are still considered anime. Now new productions that look like anime).
- Video games are a entire different nightmare and basically must be made in the spirit of anime and again by a Japanese company for their market ( there are a pile of other restrictions, but this is the main idea)

The exact set of rules we go by can be read here: http://www.animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/v ... hp?t=63288

Dead Fantasy is based on Anime (or a derivative of it)… However it’s fan made and yes is technically original animation based on Anime and so this makes it not so clear cut. Also fan made outside of Japan would not be "Needs to be made in Japan or under the total control of the Japanese".

The second issue is that it’s a fan creation video so hence now an AMV is using a Fan Creation source. If I create an AMV with original animation and someone used that on their AMV, then this brings up the issue of using someone’s AMV sources in their video (not a legal issue, but something the AMV community shuns on people doing). AND yes, I do realize the permission is given, but again it’s the principle of it that I'm looking at here and what it could potentialy mean here)

Hence, based on this, I’m more leaning to “No” as this would potentially open the door to using fan footage or original animation made anywhere that has footage with characters that "Look" like other anime characters accepted here. I could make a spiderman video with original animation footage so long as I make Peter Parker look like Spike from Cowboy Bebop and so now it is an AMV? You get the picture...)

As this has potential of changing what we accept as anime (or the acceptance of Original Animation), I’ll look into this a bit further before a final decision is made

Vlad

[Jasta85]

gah, i thought the discussion was closed when bashar posted, now i gotta wait in agony a little longer. i'm just curious, how common are original animations like DF. i havnt seen many before and i wonder if accepting certain sources such as them could be done on a case by case basis, although if there are a large number of them that people want to use that could be a different matter.

[montyoum]

Does it help any that I'm 1/4 Japanese? Or that I just started working at Namco? jk



Well either way I respect the choice that people make. Everyone has rules for a reason, and exceptions are exactly what they are exceptions, once you let one go who knows where it'll stop.

Approved or not Jasta you should keep working regardless. Just like you I first made my movies for myself before they were for anyone else.

[LivingFlame]

This is gonna be a tangent and maybe a little spammy, but I just want to thank this thread for introducing me to Dead Fantasy. XD
Freaking awesome stuff; loved it.

At any rate, I don't see much of a problem on having these original animations play themselves out on a case-by-case basis, simply because I doubt they would be that frequent to begin with. But I'm not admin or anything, so whatever is decided will work.

Either way, at this point, and after all the commotion of this thread, I'd like to see this AMV, or whatever else you want to call it.