What about the crap on the org?

[badmartialarts]

Just as a random test...I used Google, and tiyped in 'anime music video'. This site is no. 1. Same with AMV....so is it THAT hard to find?

[outlawed]

So the question is, why do you think we never get people showing up saying most of what is here is crap?

X% of users only care about X%. The majority of them are probably not interested in discussing or paying attention to 100%-X%. So the question then becomes why would they shit on themselves?

1. Filtering, unlike the tube, the org has a lot of ways to find videos that are "good" by the public eye, the top 10%, the star scale, contest searches. The tube you can only just search for videos in general.

The same thing exists for a site like the tube or NND( ニコニコ動画). The # of hits, # of comments, or being linked to content from a major portal site or highly read blog (digg, deadspin, etc). While one could randomly search the tube for videos very few people do that. And as far as the org I don't know of many people who randomly download videos from here. What makes things a hit on the tube are when prominent internet sites or people link to specific videos. It works the same here when prominent creator personality X endorses video Y. The difference is that the effect on the tube is a lot more than generating a few hundred hits one might get here.

Interestingly enough now that there is a lot of crackdown going on with certain content on NND we are seeing even more of it getting simul releases on the tube and for a viewer like myself this has increased the quality of programming on the tube from my perspective.

reviewers/people on this site tend to be more discerning when it comes to rating an AMV, on the tube you will spot tons of videos that are otherwise crap (for a large variety of reasons) but still manage to get 3-4 stars easily with comments saying how wonderful it is

Rating is dependent on the audience or the subset of an audience applying that star rating. Their expectations and wants will guide that rating. Just because something has more stars or hits than another video here doesn't make it any better because it assumes the viewer is in agreement with . All those stars and hits do is give someone an idea of what might be worth watching. An link from digg to a specific video would carry more power than the internal ratings as far as a way to generate hits on a video.

tube is easily one of the most popular sites on the web, as a result new editors will sooner flock to it due to its higher exposure and post evertyhing there

This site's main purpose for some users in recent years was so they had some place to host their videos. Now they have a better way to reach people or just show something for their friend. Everytime something big happens it's always sprouting up on tube now. That makes it the DEFACTO place where internet video happens. SEE: "don't tase me bro", "Chris Berman flips out", etc.

If you agree that a market dictates how content producers need to move to reach their audience then the tube is an indication that this site's sway is far less than it used to be in terms of user generated content on the web.

[DriftRoot]

I don't know what's going on here lately, but it seems like people keep making threads about things I myself have been pondering.

Just the other day I was wondering what would have happened if I'd gotten into AMVs when YouTube was around, instead of when it wasn't. This place is pretty big, pretty intimidating and pretty high level. I distinctly remember the impression that if I ever wanted to be a "real" editor I was going to have to figure out the "secret." After a few years I deduced that hard work was the secret. Now, if I'd had a place like YouTube that is obviously very tolerant and very welcoming of very simple and very amateur AMV efforts, then I doubt very much I would have worked as hard as I did to get better, to create videos that are meant to live up to the standards of a-m-v.org. I might never even have set foot on this site, aside from visiting to see what AMVs are around that can't be found on YouTube.

Yes, there are a lot of poor videos on this site, but there is a general consensus that we're here to learn, to get better, to share ideas and move this hobby forward. There's a collective interest in pushing the envelope, in challenging ourselves to be the best we can be and celebrating videos that are truly great accomplishments. That is not the kind of AMV culture that exits on YouTube, probably in large part because YouTube has so much more than just AMVs and a LOT of that is non-edited, unbelievably random crap that can still garner a million views a day.

When you consider how most people rate videos on YouTube, how they have to rate most videos, they're oblivious to things like picture quality, editing skill, concept and innovation. That is NOT what YouTube showcases, in a lot of cases those factors are nonexistant. So consequently you get AMVs - good or bad - usually being rated same way someone would would rate a funny cat video or car crash: according to entertainment value. Entertainment value on YouTube and entertainment value on a-m-v.org are often two entirely different things.

(and btw, that comment about spending 15 hours downloading AMVs on a modem still applies to some of us, which coincidentally pretty much makes YouTube worthless to us as well.)

As far as that statement about people under 25 having no grounds to profess Internet ignorance. Can we raise that to at least 31, please? I was on the Internet before some (young) people around here had even been born.

[Angelic_Sabyne]

Count me as another semi-beginner who is here to learn and receive (helpful) feedback. I'd been linked here from an anime forum, and figured this would be as good a place as any to learn how to make vids.

I think another thing to keep in mind with regard to making AMVs is to know your abilities. I can't tell you how many times I've seen vids that would look great, but instead are ruined because the people making them overestimate their abilities. It's like learning any new skill; it takes time and patience in order to improve. It also takes a lot of heart. At least, that's how it looks on my end of things.

[JaddziaDax]

1. people on the forums are generally not exposed to the masses of crappy videos that get uploaded...

2. not to mention that youtube's upload form is a lot easier than figuring out the FTP here

[x_rex30]

I think I was one of the first people to make a topic about youtube complaining about it. It was because every freaking Naruto video I found on it always had at least 4 out of five stars. Some of the worst amvs I've seen I also found on the top ten percent videos on the site.

Yeah, something like that.

[x_rex30]

Oh, here it is..

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/v ... hp?t=75824

Yeah, pointless to point out, but that brings back memories.

[Megamom]

The best thing in this forum!

[The Wired Knight]

1. people on the forums are generally not exposed to the masses of crappy videos that get uploaded...

2. not to mention that boochsack's upload form is a lot easier than figuring out the FTP here

Yeah that's what I figure. The thing about the tube that drives me nuts is (as later pointed out in this thread) that a lot of really awful AMVs have really high ratings and often are amongst the highest thigns on the site. I can only begin to guess that the ratings are so high because theya re from people taht hagen't seen AMVs before so it's all amazing despite what are otherwise CLEAR flaws.

I mean, how does a layperson not notice things like;

A scene running a ludicrous amount of time
Subtitles everywhere
The fact that the song makes absolutely no sense to be connected to the anime?

[Phantasmagoriat]

Don't forget the slideshows people. I think this illustrates the points brought up. To most of the org, the general 'togetherness' of the anime and music is what matters. On you<b></b>tube, slideshows can do ridiculously well simply because they have either music people like, or anime they like. Now, I wouldn't say that the concept of editing is foreign to the tube, it's just foreign to the people that only look for videos based on music/anime they like. And when they find either one, ...well damn... they have to give it a five. Unfortunately, this group is the most vocal [the classic... "Man, I love Linkin Park! YOu too!?! OMG!!!" ], and the popularity and ease of use of the tube amplifies that.
At least that's what I think.

~Phan