I just pre-ordered the D&D 4e core set off of Amazon.

Mithroch · Post by **Mithroch** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 2:07 am

"OK... But if there's any girls there I wanna DO them!"

Sukunai · Post by **Sukunai** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:35 pm

dwchang wrote:"I cast Magic Missile...I'm attacking the Darkness."

God I can HEAR the voice saying that line too.

I'm so glad I managed to get married though. But clearly there is a lot of geek in my background.

inthesto · Post by **inthesto** » Thu May 29, 2008 4:29 pm

Now that I actually have the books, I have to say that this is the best thing to ever happen in my life.

Kalium · Post by **Kalium** » Thu May 29, 2008 4:34 pm

Some people very much disagree: http://mcclaud.wordpress.com/2008/05/29 ... s-dd-post/

Me, I'm not making any hard decisions yet, but I'm not keen on what I've seen thus far.

inthesto · Post by **inthesto** » Thu May 29, 2008 4:52 pm

So the thing that mcclaud chooses to complain about is the fact that 4e needs miniatures? Was he in a fucking coma during all of 3.X, which was equally demanding of miniatures? Does he not have the budget to shell out ten bucks for a battle mat and two dollars for an extra set of dice to use as miniatures? Hell, my friend and I playtested two encounters last night, and we used flipping Stratego pieces.

Maybe WotC doesn't know shit about roleplaying (because apparently all the "roleplayers" on the internet tell me I don't know anything about it either), but mcclaud clearly doesn't know shit about games.

Or about not being a chump.

Sukunai · Post by **Sukunai** » Thu May 29, 2008 6:32 pm

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Had to say that.

In the beginning, the actual beginning, it was a miniatures game. Not rolegaming with miniatures, just miniatures. Then they thought it would be nice to give the miniatures personalities.

Everything flowed from that.

Dungeons and Dragons regardless of the sub name and or edition has always rewarded 2 dimensional mindless hack n slash gaming over your character having any really interesting "colour". Too much colour only gets your character dead while being colourful.

Now me, I prefer ROLEplaying over ROLLplaying.
And I can make ANY game about roleplaying regardless of the design and the edition. It's largely because I have a quite considerable imagination, and an ability to ad lib and improvise like a total genius.

But some games require a lot of effort while some do not.

4e looks like it is going to be a wargamers edition.
Doesn't mean I can't make it a good game for rolegaming, but chances are I can buy a good design that makes ROLEgaming fundamentally simpler to achieve.

Is it a bad thing that 4e seems set to be a major merchandising extravaganza?
Well not if you own the company

I stopped buying Magic the Squandering a long time ago. But I'm sure each new edition has been fully playable. I just got bored of buying more and more cards, and watching the quantity of cards I couldn't play grow and grow.

The nice thing about 4e, is a grease pencil hash mark on a piece of clear plastic laid over a grid will do just as well as an expensive even if nicely painted miniature.
And the nice thing about grease pencils, you can always get the exact monster you need

not only that, but it's easier to store several colours of grease pencil.

Anyone lamenting they "need" to buy miniatures to play 4e, here's your friggin sign.

Kitsuner · Post by **Kitsuner** » Thu May 29, 2008 7:50 pm

Sukunai wrote:And I can make ANY game about roleplaying regardless of the design and the edition. It's largely because I have a quite considerable imagination, and an ability to ad lib and improvise like a total genius.

And together, we show you how to improvise
Reminicent of the Wild Style '75
Cause it's the brothers on the mic occupying the drums
We taking four MC's and make 'em sound like one