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guy07 · Post by **guy07** » Sat May 17, 2008 3:17 pm

Good? That's nice. Now, where was I... Right, I've been thinking about this a lot lately, but how much of what we watch amv wise is based on expectations? Like we watch a video from a editor we have liked previous amvs from and go "OMG!!!!1111 that was amazing" but when we see a similar amv from a creator we don't really know/like we tend to have a different opinion on the video.
A example would be GQ's latest "Nagota eated your soul". It's pretty much the same as Zs's but with less quality and some lip synch. Yet the star avg is waaayyyy lower. This may be a bad example as some may rate it based on the fact it's already been done. So lets give another example (sorry koop, i'm not trying to start a fight here so please don't take offense to this ...). Momentum was a pretty good video, yet there was nothing overly spectacular about it. But because we expect such great things from koop it's got a op avg and star avg that's really quite impressive. To be honest if anybody else had made that video i believe that it wouldn't have been as popular. Does that really seem fair to the less well known editors?

Thoughts? (if you don't get what i'm talking about i'll explain it a bit better ...)

Ingow · Post by **Ingow** » Sat May 17, 2008 3:26 pm

guy07 wrote:Does that really seem fair to the less well known editors?

No, but Peter Jackson makes more money than Jim Jarmusch too. That's just how the world works.

Kevmaster · Post by **Kevmaster** » Sat May 17, 2008 3:28 pm

It really is like that.

I tend to have low expectations to everyone for a while now though, which makes it a lot easier for me. I don't get hyped over someone's new release and then get dissapointed afterwarts, but Its even more awesome when I really enjoy the video.

Oli.C · Post by **Oli.C** » Sat May 17, 2008 3:35 pm

My reaction:

-I am not a fan of Star Averages, they often seem all over the place and I don't believe they offer fair indication. I have downloaded many AMVs where the star averages have seemed mediocre, given the scale it offers, but in some cases the video itself blew me away. I feel objective decisions aren't much of factor when it comes to stars allocation... Colourful thoughful Ops are much better to appreciate and recommend.

-People are either afraid to rate "well-known" editors badly or perhaps at times they are far too eager to shower them with perfect 10s?

8bit_samurai · Post by **8bit_samurai** » Sat May 17, 2008 4:05 pm

Isn't the Announcement forum for the "well known" editors and the Recommended AMVs are for the "lesser known" editors? Or is this about something else?

It's just like commercialism. If you put something awesome in a plain package, it won't sell very much. But if you put something plain in an awesome packaging, it's gonna sell lots. Or so the theory is.

DriftRoot · Post by **DriftRoot** » Sat May 17, 2008 4:35 pm

WhiteFoxX wrote:Isn't the Announcement forum for the "well known" editors and the Recommended AMVs are for the "lesser known" editors? Or is this about something else?

I pay little attention to either, however I've been in both places and I don't really care who's "supposed" to be where. If you've got a new AMV you're proud of that you'd like to announce, then announce it. If you've found an AMV that you love that you'd like to make sure other people are aware of, then post it in the Recommended AMVs forum.

WhiteFoxX wrote:It's just like commercialism. If you put something awesome in a plain package, it won't sell very much. But if you put something plain in an awesome packaging, it's gonna sell lots. Or so the theory is.

It's a decent theory, but good packaging goes all the way back to selecting a good AMV title. Label a video "KougaxInuyasha Tribute" and not many people are going to bother to even CLICK on your AMV and see what it's all about. Name that same AMV "Bite Me, Wolf Boy" and you're going to get a better response right out of the gate.

Back on topic, however:
If AMVs could be made and uploaded without identifying the creator, I don't think it's a stretch to say that the various top lists would probably look different.

What is an impressive AMV accomplishment for one person can easily be mediocre for the next. I do think skilled editors should be held to a higher standard because they've proven they can produce good AMVs, however in my book that doesn't mean their mediocre work gets the green flag. If anything, I am more critical of their subsequent work.

I think it's also worth keeping in mind that awesome AMVs are few and far between. Expecting a particular editor to churn out awesomeness after awesomeness is asking a LOT. Yeah, a handful of people can do this to one extent or another, but it's not the norm.

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Sat May 17, 2008 4:42 pm

I demand to see awesome from awesome editors.

8bit_samurai · Post by **8bit_samurai** » Sat May 17, 2008 5:04 pm

DriftRoot wrote: It's a decent theory, but good packaging goes all the way back to selecting a good AMV title.

Actually I kinda meant the packaging being the editor and not the title. In some sort of metaphorical way, or something

Moonie · Post by **Moonie** » Sat May 17, 2008 5:18 pm

これらののもう1つ種類の糸…

>_<

私はどうしてもビデオを見、多くのについてと他の原料考えない。

Phantasmagoriat · Post by **Phantasmagoriat** » Sat May 17, 2008 5:21 pm

Expectations show a sad truth about the way people form opinions.
this applies to... well... probably everything... but I don't think it can be avoided.

why do you think so much money is put into the advertisement industry? It makes sure that peoples expectations are conditioned to result in a positive response.

The same applies to AMVs. Every little thing besides the amv itself has influence on the response you get, and it'd be nice if the criteria for a successful amv is the amv itself. But no matter how objective you try to be, external influences always play a part:

The amount of opinions [I've never given an opinion, and don't intend to; I give Feedback], the star rating, the announcement thread, whether they used the vidID tag, whether they made a banner, how many responses in the announcement thread, how new the editor is, how many amv's they have made, the popularity of the editor; the anime, how new it is, how overused it is; the music used, song length, song title, music genre; the amv genre [term used loosely], the amv file format, the mood I'm in, how many amv's I've watched, how many amv's I've just watched, how many good amv's I've just watched... yeah I wanted to make a definitive list... but now I'm just getting hot and bothered.

I'm not saying any of this information should be withheld, but editors might want to consider them [and more] when making an amv; or just follow the whole 'make em for fun' thing... which isn't a bad idea.

I decided to change the title on my last amv because people were getting the exact opposite impression I wanted. guy07, Maybe you wanted to know about Expectations when dealing with well-known editors... but I'm just going say that Expectations in General are uncool, but unavoidable[regardless of where they come from].

In the end I just dumb down my videos, even if in truth I think my amv's could kick the arse of most amvs out there... because that would just challenge peoples Expectations. After all, I'm not one of those 'well known editors'... like... who says I have the right to make a good amv...

anyways... being objective can only go so far. Expectations just happen, and I accept them.

~Phan

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