#amv-review log - Because Kio can't figure out cut 'n paste

[CodeZTM]

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I've seen this already several times before in other reviews. Songbird21 had the similar things said about her video as a "con video".

I was pretty sure as soon as The Audition was released it was going to get stuff like this.

As for the statements regarding "con audiences"... It really bugs me that we are at a time where our target audience should only be "the org". Not all videos are meant to be taken as "visual works of artwork" and just are about fun. Not everybody in con audiences are idiots, and tryingto make them entertained is a wonderful thing to do. In fact, I wish more AMV's were catered to this same manner. To create a video for a wide-spread audience to enjoy and be entertained by.

Then again, most any video that uses popular footage, popular songs or even remotely popular themes will always be crucifed for being "popular".

I didn't find anything inherintly wrong with The Audition. I wasn't and overly fond fan of the voice acting, I think that using Simon Cowell would have been more effective, but it wasn't a BAD video.

As for the Driftroot statement, I really don't see anything inherintly wrong with that either. Usually, when I play video games with friends or something, I or my friends willa lways usually say something along the lines of "how the hell did you beat me out?". It didn't really disturb me, and I think it was blown way out of proportion.

and the flame circle is the exact reason i thought that people should volunteer their own videos for the review.... instead of having a couple people just choose something from the announcement post at random.

Agreed. Myself and several other editors are offering a similar review system here

[Moonie]

and the flame circle is the exact reason i thought that people should volunteer their own videos for the review.... instead of having a couple people just choose something from the announcement post at random.

Agreed.

X2 er.. X3
I remember seeing a journal entry about your AMV reviews.
The method you are using seems like a much better way to handle reviews IMO

DriftRoot, it's all right. Everybody makes mistakes, and you've learned your lesson.

You're definitely not the only one to have ever said reckless things in #review. It's easy to call you out on it because of the nature of what you said, but really, I seem to see comments approaching that level of recklessness in the log every week.

Nowadays it's almost trendy to be saying something like "I don't sugarcoat my comments." But if people are being "honest" to the point where communication breaks down (ie TROLLING), it makes me start to question their motives - are they really commenting to help others improve their editing, or are they doing it to pretentiously make themselves feel high-and-mighty?

Saying that you don't "sugarcoat" things doesn't immediately absolve any kind of comment, offensive or not, that comes spilling out of your brain. As DriftRoot has acknowledged here, we all have the responsibility to be held accountable for the things we say.

That's just something that's been on my mind for a while.

QFT



And don't feel bad, Driftroot
Moonie still luvs you ^_^

[godix]

In terms of the discussion as a whole, I think the review discussion is a very interesting and good idea, however as pointed out I think it needs to be understood that it should be taken into account that as such it's a "published" discussion and not something people talk about in the back street away from public ears. That and maybe in a more constructive and diplomatic way. For instance, well written movie reviews are civil about it and point out strengths and weaknesses without the need to resort to "it totally sucked or only bunch of idiots watch it, etc, etc)...

We aren't paid for reviewing this anymore than you were paid for making it. So it's no surprise our review has the same relationship to a paid newspaper review that the AMV has to videos that are turned in to paying clients.

As far as the rest, I'm not really seeing a problem with people saying in public the same thing they'd say in private. Would you really rather we say it was great when we think you might hear about the comments then whisper behind your back about problems we saw with it? Doesn't the org have enough of that already in the announcement forum?

I would also hate to resort to a moderated debate just so people are forced to behave.

Actually it is moderated. There are five mods for the channel. Although the only time I would have ever used my mod powers was a couple weeks ago when things crossed from crudely stated opinions to personal attacks but I wasn't there at the time so whatever. The review is also moderated in that the logs do get edited usually. As should be obvious from the snip before GQ entered and made on-topic comments, I did edit out the conversation before & after the review that was irrelevant to the video. But what driftroot said was related to the video so it stayed in. Personally I thought it was rather tongue in check and it didn't even occur to me that she'd say something like that seriously. Still doesn't actually. So yeah, it's moderated. If someone had said that you are a cocksucking son of a bitch they'd be booted and it would get taken out of the log. But comments on the video or generalized comments about it's intended audience instead of specific people, I think that's fair game.

For the various comments by people about flaming and the like, I'll point out that most people who participated did mention parts of the video they liked. Star Trekin, the dancing transformers, and the hello fairy thing were mentioned as good things about the video. There was some positive comments on the tech side of things as well even though review intentionally doesn't emphasize the tech side of things. So it wasn't all negative although the negative was rather crudely phrased and easy to jump on if you're inclined to do so. So if someone hadn't read anything but a bad comment in a really long time I gotta wonder if they actually read the log or just felt like joining in to bitch. There's a clear difference between outright flaming and -review. Do I need to post examples of what flaming is?

As a total side note, am I the only one that noticed this type of backlash only pops up when review looks at stuff given an almost cult like status? No one cares what is said about random nobodies but say anything except high praise for Spoil or Songbird or Vlad...

Maybe review should do an Ileia vid next week just to get the cult followers really wound up.

[godix]

For the record, I have not been overly enthused with the way #review has gone down of late. If godix cares to back me up on this, he can.

Oh, I suppose I should respond to this as well. Yeah, review has had problems recently although not the problems people are saying in this thread, at least not directly. The people running it are aware of this although a pretty valid question could be made as to who's running it anymore. Inattentive mods FTW. It remains to be seen if it'll fix itself or not but if it requires me to take over once kio is unavailable then it's just fucking dying instead.

[Vlad G Pohnert]

As far as the rest, I'm not really seeing a problem with people saying in public the same thing they'd say in private. Would you really rather we say it was great when we think you might hear about the comments then whisper behind your back about problems we saw with it? Doesn't the org have enough of that already in the announcement forum?

Well I suppose if you put it that way, then if a person is fat and ugly you's just come up to thier face and say it in Public so everyone could hear... Honestly, is that the way you conduct yourself in public or think people should even if they are not paid?? I never said to hide your opinion, nor did anyone else for that fact (those are your words), you just don't have to say it in such a manor.

As a total side note, am I the only one that noticed this type of backlash only pops up when review looks at stuff given an almost cult like status? No one cares what is said about random nobodies but say anything except high praise for Spoil or Songbird or Vlad...

If you read my post, It's not about what people thought about my video or if they did not like it, but what they had to justify it by, namely calling non-creators idiots. Frankly I don't care who's video you review, I would of said the same thing if I would of so happened to read it.

If you don't think so? I'll be reading all the reviews from this point forth and will let you know just to clear that point up.

Vlad

[Autraya]

DriftRoot, it's all right. Everybody makes mistakes, and you've learned your lesson.

You're definitely not the only one to have ever said reckless things in #review. It's easy to call you out on it because of the nature of what you said, but really, I seem to see comments approaching that level of recklessness in the log every week.

Nowadays it's almost trendy to be saying something like "I don't sugarcoat my comments." But if people are being "honest" to the point where communication breaks down (ie TROLLING), it makes me start to question their motives - are they really commenting to help others improve their editing, or are they doing it to pretentiously make themselves feel high-and-mighty?

Saying that you don't "sugarcoat" things doesn't immediately absolve any kind of comment, offensive or not, that comes spilling out of your brain. As DriftRoot has acknowledged here, we all have the responsibility to be held accountable for the things we say.

That's just something that's been on my mind for a while.

pfft almost sounds directed at me I call a spade a 'spade' not "Gardening instrument, shaped similarly to a shovel in a smaller size used for more delicate garden work or potted plants which is often painted in bright pleasing colours." not to mention each cultural difference, just because we speak English doesn't mean we are expected to adhere to the "American" norm. (I'd add more tongue poking but you might take that as a pickup line for yuri ) seriously tho I completely disagree with your comments about sugar coating and being honnest, If i want to faff about I will but to me being "honnest" is about showing respect, sugarcoating shit is for children, people think that's trolling when in effect it's being brutally honnest... that means I have a differing opinion to you and that's all

I've actually have made similar comments to driftroot about other peoples videos... such as "how did this FFACXlinkin park subtitled and single uncut fight scene put to music beat my video?!" and I don't feel the need to apologise when a piece of utter crap wins over MUCH better videos only because the con coordinator likes linkin park and FFAC :\ not that is the same as this situation (I had some of my friends in their mid 30's in stitches watching Vlad's vid while the 19-ish year olds didn't get it at all.) but I have seen many editors here even those condemning driftroot make similar statements in #amv.

I do think it interesting that there is so much emotion on these review threads is it ego, hormones or something else?

btw jasper I'm not picking on you just letting it "spill out of my brain" aussies tend to insult people they like poking sticks at them constantly, when we aren't doing that you know there is something wrong...

[requiett]

doing it to pretentiously make themselves feel high-and-mighty

WHEN DID THIS START HAPPENING???

[inthesto]

I like it when topics involve gangin up on Driftroot.

[JaddziaDax]

being "brutally honest" is one thing, saying only idiots would vote for a specific video isn't brutally honest, its flaming.

[Vlad G Pohnert]

being "brutally honest" is one thing, saying only idiots would vote for a specific video isn't brutally honest, its flaming.

and really that was the main pont I wanted to bring up, and not everything else that happened there after.

Vlad