#amv-review log - Because Kio can't figure out cut 'n paste

[Serv0]

Sidenote: "How did THIS video beat MY video?" is just plain bad sportsmanship. I was surprised you said that, Driftroot. I wasn't aware that your ego had puffed up that much already.

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After I read that I kinda stopped

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Fixed

The only time a comment like this is valid is if RamonesFan wins an award.

But then of course we don't need to worry about that as the situation shall never arise. (Unless it's hosted by some "in the know" guy on MySpace)

You guys are the funniest ass biters I have seen for this week, seeing that you're all taking this one little sentence seriously. And I'm sure Driftroot didn't even say it seriously either.
I'm surprised all of you didn't go ballistic over this:

[20:57] <Serv0> Although I've said this once and I'll say it again. That VA sounded as if he had the mother fucking jizzed clap.

Yeah I don't think Bustin is any better. Hell, I don't think it's good. But even if she was serious, god damn people, grow some balls. Driftroot you don't have to apologize or regret anything, you had every right to say what you did.

In terms of the discussion as a whole, I think the review discussion is a very interesting and good idea, however as pointed out I think it needs to be understood that it should be taken into account that as such it's a "published" discussion and not something people talk about in the back street away from public ears.

And I totally agree with you Vlad, I really do. And that's the reason why I say what I say, because I stand by my statements and I'm not trying to hide anything here. Remember, we do have the option to not post the log, let alone edit some stuff out.
I'll go ahead and say that we really do appreciate your input as well, and it really is fun to review these videos, as weird as it sounds.

[DriftRoot]

DriftRoot: I never did think your comment was truly meant to say what it did nor mean that exactly. We are all human and we all sometimes say something in the wrong way or in the wrong intent (and you don’t seem from your posts as a person who would), so I am hopefully no one else sees this beyond that. Honestly, I hope you don’t get too worried or depressed over it and I hate to thing only depressing and negative things will come out of all this,

Honestly, I am extremely worried and upset about this because I failed to live up to my own standards. I feel like I've basically screwed over everything good I've ever tried to do around here, that I've let myself and, worse, other people down who expected better of me. I can't undo that, I saw this situation coming awhile ago and I didn't do the right thing and now ... well, hey...I'm an emo hussy, but at least I'm an honest one. This incident has stripped away just about all the pleasure and pride I had in my one and only major accomplishment with this hobby. I conducted myself extremely poorly and now I'm going to pay the price not only in terms of what others think about me, but of what I think about myself. Yeah, I'm that ticked off at myself. I knew better, but I went ahead and behaved like an idiotic ass anyways and all the apologies and ranting and raving can't change that.

For the record, I have not been overly enthused with the way #review has gone down of late. If godix cares to back me up on this, he can. Two weeks ago I almost quit, but decided to give it one more chance before throwing in the towel. This Monday was that one more chance...and man did THAT turn out to be a bad decision. Trust me, the towel has now been thrown in.

#review, as has been said several times now, has turned into more of a subjective, harsh critique session with people taking hard sides for/against one another and the videos than an objective, fair evaluation of AMVs that goes beyond the ops we write. If I'd said this two weeks ago, I probably wouldn't be in the position I am now - another example of my misjudgement, although in that instance I should have spoken up, not kept quiet. It seemed at the time, however, that no matter what I said I was going to be slammed hard and it just wasn't worth the aggravation.

No one should have to go into #review wondering how bad they're going to get burned - me posting criticism of #review in the #review thread was just rolling out the red carpet for flaming. I didn't think I could get away with it - other people can, as evinced by what's being said right here in this thread - but I can't. There are too many people who jump at opportunities to cut others down, to dismiss their concerns simply because of who it is who is raising them. Just like there's too many people who won't say a word against folks who are out of line simply because of who those folks are. So I kept quiet, because it seemed like bringing up what I wanted to bring up wouldn't achieve what I wanted and might make things worse. I regret not standing up for what I believe in - as someone who makes a habit OF standing up for her beliefs and constantly getting all kinds of s*** for it, this turn of events only cements my determination NOT to stand down when I have something to say that I think has merit. Hence this post.

It's really kind of ironic that my screw up helped throw the doors wide open for discussion of the exact things I've wanted to bring up, but didn't, and that some of those things are exactly what I myself wound up being guilty of. *sigh* Oh yes...it's ironic and probably some kind of twisted poetic justice.

[Castor Troy]

You're all jealous you didn't go to Narutotrek.

[jasper-isis]

DriftRoot, it's all right. Everybody makes mistakes, and you've learned your lesson.

You're definitely not the only one to have ever said reckless things in #review. It's easy to call you out on it because of the nature of what you said, but really, I seem to see comments approaching that level of recklessness in the log every week.

Nowadays it's almost trendy to be saying something like "I don't sugarcoat my comments." But if people are being "honest" to the point where communication breaks down (ie TROLLING), it makes me start to question their motives - are they really commenting to help others improve their editing, or are they doing it to pretentiously make themselves feel high-and-mighty?

Saying that you don't "sugarcoat" things doesn't immediately absolve any kind of comment, offensive or not, that comes spilling out of your brain. As DriftRoot has acknowledged here, we all have the responsibility to be held accountable for the things we say.

That's just something that's been on my mind for a while.

[DriftRoot]

And on that note, because I take so long to post: Servo, thanks. And thanks Vlad for giving me the benefit of the doubt. You guys didn't have to do that...but I'm glad you did. As I said before, I messed up big time by saying something I shouldn't have, in a way I shouldn't have, at a time I shouldn't have. It was my fault, I admit it, I apologize, I will take steps to make sure it doesn't happen again...but it concerns me how quickly it got blown up into something that it's not - that's what I'm super freaked out about. Have I really conducted myself so horribly that it's that easy for people I like/respect to flat out call me an egotistical, unfeeling, impolite idiot? To say I'm shaken is quite an understatement.

I can be arrogant at times, and I can be pretty blunt, which comes with the territory when you ignore other people's feelings, which is not a wise thing to do. But I try hard not to let my pride get the best of me, and I would rather be honest than sugarcoat things, which comes from my own irritation with people who aren't straightforward with me because they think I will misinterpret their intentions or won't understand what they're really trying to say.

Bleh...I'm going away now.

[DriftRoot]

DriftRoot, it's all right. Everybody makes mistakes, and you've learned your lesson.

Yes, I must stop taking so long to write posts. Thanks for all your words, don't worry...lesson learned and I'll do whatever I can to keep myself out of trouble in the future. ^_^

[JaddziaDax]

and the flame circle is the exact reason i thought that people should volunteer their own videos for the review.... instead of having a couple people just choose something from the announcement post at random.

[Vlad G Pohnert]

Honesty, I hope no one leaves because of all this, that would just be sad... Honestly Driftroot, I think you've tormented yourself enough...

Vlad

[thundercatlord]

DriftRoot, it's all right. Everybody makes mistakes, and you've learned your lesson.

You're definitely not the only one to have ever said reckless things in #review. It's easy to call you out on it because of the nature of what you said, but really, I seem to see comments approaching that level of recklessness in the log every week.

Nowadays it's almost trendy to be saying something like "I don't sugarcoat my comments." But if people are being "honest" to the point where communication breaks down (ie TROLLING), it makes me start to question their motives - are they really commenting to help others improve their editing, or are they doing it to pretentiously make themselves feel high-and-mighty?

Saying that you don't "sugarcoat" things doesn't immediately absolve any kind of comment, offensive or not, that comes spilling out of your brain. As DriftRoot has acknowledged here, we all have the responsibility to be held accountable for the things we say.

That's just something that's been on my mind for a while.

I agree. Driftroot, people do make mistakes. And good for you for owning up to it. I admire that. Everybody makes mistakes, but it takes someone with real heart to admit it. And I know you didn't mean it the way it sounded. We all can get caught up in our hobby here and say things without thinking at the moment. I forgive you ^_^ and I'm sure everyone else does.

[Serv0]

What the hell is with everyone in there need for someone to apologize for being honest?

Anyways...

Nowadays it's almost trendy to be saying something like "I don't sugarcoat my comments." But if people are being "honest" to the point where communication breaks down (ie TROLLING), it makes me start to question their motives - are they really commenting to help others improve their editing, or are they doing it to pretentiously make themselves feel high-and-mighty?

If it bleeds, it bleeds.

And everyone here already knows that I'm a pretentious person, so no need to expand the overstated.

But anyways, no matter what is said in any critique, if it's the truth, it's the truth despite of how it was said. But let's be honest here you guys, Vlad has been in this business for a very very very very very very very long time. What can any of us say advice wise that he doesn't know or hasn't encountered before? To me, the only thing that we can really say is, did I like it, or did I not? Read the log again, and you would find that the only time DURING the actual discussion of the vid that the word suck was used, was by godix on one occasion. And it was when he was being serious too.

and the flame circle is the exact reason i thought that people should volunteer their own videos for the review.... instead of having a couple people just choose something from the announcement post at random.

Unfortunately, people prefer to send their vids to the opinion exchange, because apparently they can score higher points there, instead of with us.

And hey...if you guys feel like the review is unbalanced in opinions, the doors are open for your participation too. If the review channel is filled with people who won't like the vid, then that's the way it's going to be my friends.