I just solved the mystery of hellsing that plauged me
- CaTaClYsM
- Joined: Fri Jul 26, 2002 3:54 am
I just solved the mystery of hellsing that plauged me
I wanted to know what the words on alucards coffin meant. I am hermes, I because tame by eating my wings.
I found out about alot of the inspirations of hellsing, why alucard turns into stuff. the writing on his grave.
I found out about alot of the inspirations of hellsing, why alucard turns into stuff. the writing on his grave.
So in other words, one part of the community is waging war on another part of the community because they take their community seriously enough to want to do so. Then they tell the powerless side to get over the loss cause it's just an online community. I'm glad people make so much sense." -- Tab
- CaTaClYsM
- Joined: Fri Jul 26, 2002 3:54 am
Well there are serveraly mysteries.
One was where they got the idea to have alucard shapeshift the way he does. There are serveral HP lovecraft creatures that look like alucard described on this pagehere
but I am about to bust open something much bigger, or at least something that would have looked interesting but turns out uto be something that everyone else know but me.
This may take some time so sit back and be amazed
Alucard's grave has the words " I am hermes, I became tame by devouring my own wings."
I wanted to know what the flaming monkey crap they were talking about. I discovered that hermes was a greek god with wings on his feet, he was a mesenger god because of his speed and a he was a trouble maker. But what does greek mytholigy have to do with anything? Hellsing sticks to Egyptian mytholigy, Set being one, and the eye beign worn on the neck of the woman in ep one is also the eye seen in neverwinter nights. This may be egyptian and on the back of an ordinary dollar bill there is the pyramid with the eye on top of it, a masonic symbol. (free mason) In Egypt there is a god called thoth.
Thoth is our link to Hermes
The Hermetic Text called the Kore Kosmu, complied in Egypt, in Alexandria referring to him as 'all knowing'. Hermes understood all things. What he knew, he graved on stone. Though he graved them onto stone he hid them mostly . The sacred symbols of the cosmic elements [he] hid away hard by the secrets of Osiris, keeping sure silence, that every younger age of cosmic time might seek for them.
Thoth (Hermes) was said to have succeeded in understanding the mysteries of the heavens and to have revealed them by inscribing them in sacred books which he then hid here on Earth, intending that they should be searched for by future generations but found only by the fully worthy." These sacred books are often referred to as the 42 Books of Instructions or the 42 Books of Thoth which describes the instructions for achieving immortality plus 2 more books kept separately, mirroringthe 42+2 chromosomes and the sacred geometry embedded in the Great Pyramid
for more info here
In the ancient city of Annu (later called On in the Bible and Heliopolis by the Greeks) there was a great sacred pillar, itself named Annu - possibly before the city. This, we believe, was the great pillar of Lower Egypt and its counterpart in Upper Egypt at the time of unification was in the city of Nekheb. Later the city of Thebes, known then as 'Waset', had the title 'Iwnu Shema', which meant 'the Southern Pillar'."
"The twin pillars of the Two Lands became the Pillars of Hermes and the attributes of the ancient Egyptian moon god Thoth became absorbed into Hermes...It was said that this god [Thoth] possessed all secret knowledge on 36,535 scrolls that were hidden under the heavenly vault (the sky) which could only be found by the worthy, who would use such knowledge for the benefit of mankind."
here for more info
is it starting to come together now?
well to put the nail in alucards coffin there is a 500 year old text called the Ripley Scrowle. in it is a poem, one part which says
"The Bird of Hermes is my name,
Eating my wings to make me tame."
Not enough to be convinced yet?
"In the Sea withouten lesse,
Standeth the Bird of Hermes:
Eating his Wings variable,
And thereby maketh himself more stable;
When all his Fethers be agon,
He standeth still there as a stone;
Here is now both White and Red,"
when Alucard had the final seal broken in episode 13 and he melted the silver cross, his hair was white, and his clothing was red.
Alucard may be inspired by the the god thoth, (aka hermes) and the freak chips are the philosipher stone which gives power. anyone have anything to say on the subject? I just want to say that if I am right, and I uncovered something, well, you saw it here first folks. And it came from me
One was where they got the idea to have alucard shapeshift the way he does. There are serveral HP lovecraft creatures that look like alucard described on this pagehere
but I am about to bust open something much bigger, or at least something that would have looked interesting but turns out uto be something that everyone else know but me.
This may take some time so sit back and be amazed

Alucard's grave has the words " I am hermes, I became tame by devouring my own wings."
I wanted to know what the flaming monkey crap they were talking about. I discovered that hermes was a greek god with wings on his feet, he was a mesenger god because of his speed and a he was a trouble maker. But what does greek mytholigy have to do with anything? Hellsing sticks to Egyptian mytholigy, Set being one, and the eye beign worn on the neck of the woman in ep one is also the eye seen in neverwinter nights. This may be egyptian and on the back of an ordinary dollar bill there is the pyramid with the eye on top of it, a masonic symbol. (free mason) In Egypt there is a god called thoth.
Thoth is our link to Hermes
The Hermetic Text called the Kore Kosmu, complied in Egypt, in Alexandria referring to him as 'all knowing'. Hermes understood all things. What he knew, he graved on stone. Though he graved them onto stone he hid them mostly . The sacred symbols of the cosmic elements [he] hid away hard by the secrets of Osiris, keeping sure silence, that every younger age of cosmic time might seek for them.
Thoth (Hermes) was said to have succeeded in understanding the mysteries of the heavens and to have revealed them by inscribing them in sacred books which he then hid here on Earth, intending that they should be searched for by future generations but found only by the fully worthy." These sacred books are often referred to as the 42 Books of Instructions or the 42 Books of Thoth which describes the instructions for achieving immortality plus 2 more books kept separately, mirroringthe 42+2 chromosomes and the sacred geometry embedded in the Great Pyramid
for more info here
In the ancient city of Annu (later called On in the Bible and Heliopolis by the Greeks) there was a great sacred pillar, itself named Annu - possibly before the city. This, we believe, was the great pillar of Lower Egypt and its counterpart in Upper Egypt at the time of unification was in the city of Nekheb. Later the city of Thebes, known then as 'Waset', had the title 'Iwnu Shema', which meant 'the Southern Pillar'."
"The twin pillars of the Two Lands became the Pillars of Hermes and the attributes of the ancient Egyptian moon god Thoth became absorbed into Hermes...It was said that this god [Thoth] possessed all secret knowledge on 36,535 scrolls that were hidden under the heavenly vault (the sky) which could only be found by the worthy, who would use such knowledge for the benefit of mankind."
here for more info
is it starting to come together now?
well to put the nail in alucards coffin there is a 500 year old text called the Ripley Scrowle. in it is a poem, one part which says
"The Bird of Hermes is my name,
Eating my wings to make me tame."
Not enough to be convinced yet?
"In the Sea withouten lesse,
Standeth the Bird of Hermes:
Eating his Wings variable,
And thereby maketh himself more stable;
When all his Fethers be agon,
He standeth still there as a stone;
Here is now both White and Red,"
when Alucard had the final seal broken in episode 13 and he melted the silver cross, his hair was white, and his clothing was red.
Alucard may be inspired by the the god thoth, (aka hermes) and the freak chips are the philosipher stone which gives power. anyone have anything to say on the subject? I just want to say that if I am right, and I uncovered something, well, you saw it here first folks. And it came from me

So in other words, one part of the community is waging war on another part of the community because they take their community seriously enough to want to do so. Then they tell the powerless side to get over the loss cause it's just an online community. I'm glad people make so much sense." -- Tab
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*Akatoro suckles your paw in gratitude*
Troll thinks CaTaClYsM has done a troll-job very well done.
Akatoro often self thought Alucard to resemble Vlad the Impaler in the end of episode 13, but trolls can often appear dense, so Akatoro doesn't know what to do anymore.
*Akatoro shoves his paw into his mouth and gnaws on, apparantly in deep though*
Troll think...
Troll think it should come to CaTaClYsM for further references in various anime.
*Akatoro licks your eyeball in deep thanks*
Troll thinks CaTaClYsM has done a troll-job very well done.
Akatoro often self thought Alucard to resemble Vlad the Impaler in the end of episode 13, but trolls can often appear dense, so Akatoro doesn't know what to do anymore.
*Akatoro shoves his paw into his mouth and gnaws on, apparantly in deep though*
Troll think...
Troll think it should come to CaTaClYsM for further references in various anime.
*Akatoro licks your eyeball in deep thanks*
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- MCWagner
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Quite impressive, actually. I don't quite get the connection to the Philosopher's stone (as it's basically an occult manifest metaphore for the purification of the soul as one gains true knowledge of God) but the rest seems pretty sound, especially in light of the sort-of undead myth of Thoth. (Have I got the right god? I think Thoth was the one who was entombed in a coffin by his brother Set...)
I'm afraid the Lovecraftian angle may be shooting in the dark, though. The page you linked to was correct about the popularity of HPL in Japan (although he seems to cycle in popularity here...) and the appearance of references in a lot of anime. Themes, though, are a lot more tenuous, and easily mistaken or extended in an unintended direction. (NGE could be seen as having a Lovecraftian theme...but it derives much more from Christian Revelations than Lovecraft's works.) A lot of anime just seems to want to pay him tribute without actually telling a "Lovecraftian" story. Armitage III 's main character gets her name from Dr. Henry Armitage, the curator of Miskatonic U's infamous library, and the final battle of the first series takes place at "Dunwitch." Armitage III could hardly be called a Lovecraftian story, though. (Especially since it has a happy ending.)
Similarly, the page is probably right in the paralells it draws with the names...but has as little significance as a mention of "The Necronomicon" does anywhere else. Calling Alucard a Shoggoth, though, is just a little silly. The shoggoths are titanic in dimension, and imbecillic in intelligence. Star Vampires are invisible until they've eaten. The Dark Young of Shub-Niggurath are as tall as trees and have THREE legs.
So, IMHO, it may be that the author of Hellsing took some inspiration from old HPL in designing the look of some scenes and characters, but I highly doubt that it was intended we should actually think that Hellsing IS a Mythos story, or that Alucard WAS a shoggoth or Dark Young.
I'm afraid the Lovecraftian angle may be shooting in the dark, though. The page you linked to was correct about the popularity of HPL in Japan (although he seems to cycle in popularity here...) and the appearance of references in a lot of anime. Themes, though, are a lot more tenuous, and easily mistaken or extended in an unintended direction. (NGE could be seen as having a Lovecraftian theme...but it derives much more from Christian Revelations than Lovecraft's works.) A lot of anime just seems to want to pay him tribute without actually telling a "Lovecraftian" story. Armitage III 's main character gets her name from Dr. Henry Armitage, the curator of Miskatonic U's infamous library, and the final battle of the first series takes place at "Dunwitch." Armitage III could hardly be called a Lovecraftian story, though. (Especially since it has a happy ending.)
Similarly, the page is probably right in the paralells it draws with the names...but has as little significance as a mention of "The Necronomicon" does anywhere else. Calling Alucard a Shoggoth, though, is just a little silly. The shoggoths are titanic in dimension, and imbecillic in intelligence. Star Vampires are invisible until they've eaten. The Dark Young of Shub-Niggurath are as tall as trees and have THREE legs.
So, IMHO, it may be that the author of Hellsing took some inspiration from old HPL in designing the look of some scenes and characters, but I highly doubt that it was intended we should actually think that Hellsing IS a Mythos story, or that Alucard WAS a shoggoth or Dark Young.
Als Gregor Samsa eines Morgens aus unruhigen Träumen erwachte, fand er sich in seinem Bett zu einem ungeheueren Ungeziefer verwandelt.
- CaTaClYsM
- Joined: Fri Jul 26, 2002 3:54 am
The philsoppher stone, and said in one of the web pages, was filled with secrete sacred knowledge, and thoth (aka hermes) is all knowing. since alucard is a powerful vampire, and destroying the freak chip that give power to normal people, it only make sense that the freak chip symbolize the philosopher stone, which would give a person the knowledge that thoth had. And is is also said that only certain people were allowed to use te philosopher stone, so alucards destruction of the freak chips, may symbolize toth protecting the philosopher stone from people that shouldn't use it. it may be a stretch, but it not only works, but brings the story together much better.
So in other words, one part of the community is waging war on another part of the community because they take their community seriously enough to want to do so. Then they tell the powerless side to get over the loss cause it's just an online community. I'm glad people make so much sense." -- Tab
- CaTaClYsM
- Joined: Fri Jul 26, 2002 3:54 am
just need to make sure everyone reads this, it was a reeal bitch to type.
So in other words, one part of the community is waging war on another part of the community because they take their community seriously enough to want to do so. Then they tell the powerless side to get over the loss cause it's just an online community. I'm glad people make so much sense." -- Tab
- kthulhu
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Interesting. Good research work there, sir.
If anyone wants to read some Lovecraft, <a href="http://www.gizmology.net/lovecraft/work ... htm">click here</a>. Good stories are "Cool Air", "Pickman's Model", "Dagon", "The Cats of Ulthar", and of course, "The Call Of Cthulhu".
If anyone wants to read some Lovecraft, <a href="http://www.gizmology.net/lovecraft/work ... htm">click here</a>. Good stories are "Cool Air", "Pickman's Model", "Dagon", "The Cats of Ulthar", and of course, "The Call Of Cthulhu".
I'm out...
- CaTaClYsM
- Joined: Fri Jul 26, 2002 3:54 am
btw, there are only 20 known copies of the ripley scroll in existence. How or why they based alucard off that scroll I will never know, but this is a stark contrast to Eva, which used the dead sea scrolls. but I doubt anyone other than I and the people I tell this to will know about this, especialy since the ropley scroll isn't as popular as the dead sea scrolls. Have you or anyone you known discovered stuff like this before? I am just surprised the people at that fansite that compared alucard to the lovecraft creatures didn't figure this out. BTW, I know that alucard coffin never aprears in the series, but you DO see it in that trailer special thingy, its the same one that has the man in the white room clapping his hand that you never get to see in the series.
So in other words, one part of the community is waging war on another part of the community because they take their community seriously enough to want to do so. Then they tell the powerless side to get over the loss cause it's just an online community. I'm glad people make so much sense." -- Tab