United Canucks Of Mexico? :O

guy07 · Post by **guy07** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 2:16 pm

BMA IS A BORG! GHET HIM!

I wouldn't mind a merger, i'm a guy that loves change or any sort. Good or bad, i hate being bored. Call me Mr.haruhi ;p

JaddziaDax · Post by **JaddziaDax** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 2:45 pm

I like watching conspiracy videos it's neat to see how others view the world...

and I'm kinda with BMA on this O: I think it would be cool to see the world working together rather than fighting amongst themselves O:

Zarxrax · Post by **Zarxrax** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 3:56 pm

Oh my god, I can't believe how many people actually crave for 1 world government.

You think everything is going to just be lovey-dovey and everyone will be happy?

Just think about this for a second. Consolidating everything together means NO CHOICE. NO VARIETY. EVERYTHING IS THE SAME.

Some people want to be allowed to smoke marijuana. Some people think abortion should be illegal. Some people are opposed to massive government subsidies and corporate bailouts. Some people are opposed to teaching sex education in school. Some people don't want to have to eat genetically engineered foods.

When government is broken up and decided on a more local level, that gives people OPTIONS. They can live in a place where they are comfortable. Since the civil war, the US has gone further and further towards a single consolidated government. What is the result of this? Well, california wants marijuanna, but the federal government says no. Hell, who cares what california wants though, right? 51% rules, who cares about the other 49%? Just screw them.

We have a culture that is more partisan than ever. Both sides hate the other passionately, and don't even realize that they are both exactly the same. In 1 government, everyone gets ass-fucked equally. But hey, who cares, right? Just vote for the guy who is going to keep abortion illegal for everyone, because that's all that matters right? Or vote for the guy who is going to force universal healthcare on everyone, because that's all that matters, right? Or let's just keep fighting endless wars around the world, because that's something we can ALL agree on, right?

Everyone wants more government when its on their side. What happens when the tables are turned though? You people think the majority really rule? The elite who run the world don't give a shit about what the majority want.

Yok/0 · Post by **Yok/0** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 3:59 pm

Let's all get naked and have a 1 World Government Love Fest!

Savia · Post by **Savia** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 8:19 pm

As a European I know what it is like to have a big conglomerated union near you trying to make your political decisions for you.

Thankfully as a Briton I also know what it is like to have a population largely opposed to this and partaking only in some of that union whilst retaining independance : )

JaddziaDax · Post by **JaddziaDax** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 8:41 pm

just because the world works together that doesn't mean we will turn into only one culture, and have only one ruler or only one body of government, there is still the possibility of making it so that things that are local issues are still decided on a local level.

badmartialarts · Post by **badmartialarts** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:57 am

Zarxrax wrote:Everyone wants more government when its on their side. What happens when the tables are turned though? You people think the majority really rule? The elite who run the world don't give a shit about what the majority want.

Obviously I need to get in on this elite action, then.

I'm actually only being semi-sarcastic. America was totally meant to be a meritocratic lasseiz-faire hyper-capitalist republic. Rule by those who had the guts, the drive, the knowledge, and the will to take power (and the money and connections didn't hurt either). Nietzsche would have been proud. But the other end of the political spectrum, the nearly socialist proto-liberals that would become the watered-down Democrats of today, slowly began to fix a lot of the inequalities such a system has inherent to it. And the old-timers simply did an end-around run on them and kept their power but in new ways. Eventually, America became what it is today, an extremely stable and monolithic beast despite supposed great individual differences. Nobody really wants change. People who really want change are corrected at young ages, either by repression, or by the far better option of encouraging their rebellion, channeling their youthful energy into what eventually is just another section of the same machine they are raging against. It is a beautiful system and I get goosebumps thinking about it sometimes.

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:30 am

Zarxrax wrote:Oh my god, I can't believe how many people actually crave for 1 world government.

You think everything is going to just be lovey-dovey and everyone will be happy?

Just think about this for a second. Consolidating everything together means NO CHOICE. NO VARIETY. EVERYTHING IS THE SAME.

Better everything the same than everything happy and dead.

What I think you're ignoring, and what my problem with libertarianism is - it's not that it's bad for people to be able to choose whether to smoke marijuana or have abortions. Those aren't hurting anyone other than the people directly involved and possibly Jesus. Those are all fine and dandy. I don't think those are even issues - I dislike election politics largely because they're so focused on getting a rise out of people on social issues which should matter fairly little. The problem is when people are free to do things that someone else has to pay for, whether it's someone down the street, across the border, or up a generation in the future. All is fine and happy - CHOICE! VARIETY! EVERYTHING IS DIFFERENT!

Who pays for it? Are you naive enough to imagine that anyone but the richest people (in world terms) can really (quite literally) AFFORD to be sitting around choosing whether to move somewhere they can smoke marijuana or have an abortion? And then at whose expense are they rich enough in the first place? What if it's not marijuana - what if it's pesticides that are giving their neighbour's kid cancer? What if it's shoes that are exploiting slave labour? What if they're burning tons of oil in the fucking batmobile that someone decided to take to work? What if it that oil supply is kept safe at the cost of thousands of lives? But who cares - CHOICE! VARIETY! EVERYTHING IS DIFFERENT!

There are massive socioeconomic and geopolitical problems in the world to solve. People can't hide from responsibility for them - both responsibility for cause and responsibility for solution. I scoff at libertarians for this one reason only: it's not that I dislike freedom, happiness and diversity. It's that someone has to pay for it. And I think it takes a naive person born into money to assume that they owe the world - be it down the street, across the border or up a generation - nothing, while the world owes them their CHOICE! VARIETY! EVERYTHING IS DIFFERENT! and marijuana too.

You know, I've never met a libertarian from the poor. That tells me something already. And I wouldn't hesitate to suggest that merely a tiny minority in the West has even so much as earned the money that gives them the CHOICE! VARIETY! EVERYTHING IS DIFFERENT! It's a naive charade to justify your own and your culture's unjustifiable excesses that others pay in blood and sweat for. Now, I'm not saying this in any self-righteous way - I'm hardly better than that in a lot of ways. In many ways I don't have choice, because I either conform to local standards or move out. Move out where? Perhaps the "Free West" should try to consider for a second just what is "Free" in it. So on my part, I'm doing the cowardly thing - I'm hiding in academia. Someone, somewhere, I'm sure, pays for my escapism. The least I can do is give no quarter to naive, irresponsible agendas of the world's overfed elites so that the future generations, if we make it that far, know better.

/end rant

inthesto · Post by **inthesto** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:56 am

Otohiko wrote:snip

CodeZTM · Post by **CodeZTM** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:04 am

Otohiko wrote:rant

However, I think that a unified government would need several more branches, as well as several national representatives elected. Then again, we will probably NEVER see this happen. People are too different and will more than likely not want to conform.

Plus, I can totally see the anarchists going crazy if this were to occur.