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Nessephanie · Post by **Nessephanie** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:19 pm

Tsunami Jones wrote: I didn't read Ender's Game until about two years ago or so, and honestly, I thought it had some rather deep ideas and concepts (power of information, etc.) that made me really wonder why it's really considered a "children's book." (BECAUSE IT HAS CHILDREN IN IT, OBVIOUSLY :P) when most children can't grasp at thematic elements.

I just read it not very long ago, and I thought it was awesome. I didn't see it as a kids book at all *shrugs*. I really enjoyed everything about it.

godix · Post by **godix** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 8:08 pm

Tsunami Jones wrote:I didn't read Ender's Game until about two years ago or so, and honestly, I thought it had some rather deep ideas and concepts (power of information, etc.) that made me really wonder why it's really considered a "children's book." (BECAUSE IT HAS CHILDREN IN IT, OBVIOUSLY :P) when most children can't grasp at thematic elements.

The book was ok but it kept ignoring the issues it brought up or, even worse, excusing them by ignorance. Peter's excessive cruelty was, mostly, just dropped. Ender murdered (twice) and neither time was there any exploration of permanent consequences to what starts as basic kid shit, it was written off in a rather off handed way as 'ender didn't know so everything is fine'. Even the genocide was mostly ignored and excused due to ignorance, although I've heard later books went more into that (I just read the bean sequels, the ender sequels bored me).

Also while I was reading the books I had a constant thought of 'Someone really needs to explain the idea of proportional response to Ender'. Ender had this idea that you must absolutely 100% destroy your enemy which made the apology of ignorance for genocide even more annoying since given his personality he wouldn't have seen any other way for a war to end than genocide.

Which is all a longish way of saying, the book didn't deal with any issues it brought up. Instead it was just a teenage nerds fantasy of 'if only I could kick my enemies asses and totally destroy them without getting grounded...'

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:59 pm

Also, why does that list include "The Bible" and "The Holy Bible", with the latter obviously being conducive to mental retardation, whereas the former - less so?

Kalium · Post by **Kalium** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:51 am

Ender's Game is valuable because it hits adults over the head with just how vicious and cruel children can be. Adults like to whitewash their own childhoods, and forget how bad things could be. Ender's Game won't let you do that.

That is why Ender's Game is significant.

dokidoki · Post by **dokidoki** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:24 am

Otohiko wrote:Also, why does that list include "The Bible" and "The Holy Bible", with the latter obviously being conducive to mental retardation, whereas the former - less so?

Read the FAQ. http://virgil.gr/42

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:29 am

dokidoki wrote:
Otohiko wrote:Also, why does that list include "The Bible" and "The Holy Bible", with the latter obviously being conducive to mental retardation, whereas the former - less so?
Read the FAQ. http://virgil.gr/42

# "The Bible" and "The Holy Bible" is like the difference between "Muhammed" and "Muhammad (pbuh)".

what

dokidoki · Post by **dokidoki** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:41 am

Otohiko wrote:
# "The Bible" and "The Holy Bible" is like the difference between "Muhammed" and "Muhammad (pbuh)".
what

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Kitsuner · Post by **Kitsuner** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:08 am

Kalium wrote:Ender's Game is valuable because it hits adults over the head with just how vicious and cruel children can be. Adults like to whitewash their own childhoods, and forget how bad things could be. Ender's Game won't let you do that.

That is why Ender's Game is significant.

I whitewash my childhood as it's happening.

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:07 pm

Kalium wrote:Ender's Game is valuable because it hits adults over the head with just how vicious and cruel children can be. Adults like to whitewash their own childhoods, and forget how bad things could be. Ender's Game won't let you do that.

That is why Ender's Game is significant.

Too bad Lord of the Flies did that far earlier...

Orwell · Post by **Orwell** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:19 pm

Kalium wrote:Ender's Game is valuable because it hits adults over the head with just how vicious and cruel children can be. Adults like to whitewash their own childhoods, and forget how bad things could be. Ender's Game won't let you do that.

That is why Ender's Game is significant.

Military brats should serve right alongside their parents then? This would be a great initiative to help American children catch up in their studies.