A forum for newbies?

[BasharOfTheAges]

I'm just saying that one's first introduction to this site shouldn't be being picked up by the scruff of the neck, told "You're a newbie, so we assume you're a lazy bum and we hate lazy bums, so go over there and don't bother us."

And they shouldn't be treated that way at all unless they've done something to warrant it.

Not following the standard forum etiquette that's been practiced in "professional" tech forums since the advent of such forums 20 years ago (i.e. lurking and reading) is one of those things that warrant it though.

[76]

I was thinking of the same thing, drift root.

but the fact remains, we can't even get them to read the RULES yet.

so that idea kinda doesn't work

[76]

maybe a dash-board type thing could be made?

everytime you log in manually it takes you to your "dashboard"

where a list of stickys and rules, following a list of forums with labels as to what is expected to be posted where.
encluding the ability to check ones PM's and other such.


^^maybe?

best I idea I've got right now.

[Tsunami Jones]

Howdy.

Ok. I'm posting in this for several reasons. The biggest one is that I don't want to think that everyone is being completely ignored here by us. I have been paying attention to this thread since it was first posted.

First, I'll say it right off the bat, I do not specifically care for the idea of a "newbie forum" per say.

However, I definitely do agree with certain points, especially the feelings expressed by a few of you about the lack of an introductory area. I think that such an area would probably be very useful, BUT, it should not be a place for massive "coddling" or even mentoring. But it should be something that can

1) Introduce a new member to the community. The closest thing really we have at the moment is when someone releases their first video or asks a question, and sort of attaches it on.

2) Be able to answer basic questions so that new members can be introduced to the rest of the website so that they can find the correct places to seek help in, etc. IF an editing question is going to be answered here a link to the proper portion of the site should be posted in addition to any answer given, so that the member can be made aware of what is available on the rest of the site.

They should not be forced in anyway to actually post there. Why?

It's stupid. I don't care if anyone is insulted by me saying so, and I'm not going to bother arguing it if you think that it's not.

But here's why I think it's stupid: I've been on forums where this is a requirement, and it does several things, the largest of which is it cuts a user off from the rest of the site. This is espcially bad if the site has portions of it that are targeted to specific needs.

Let's say a member has actually read the guides and looks at the forums, and even knows his stuff and can edit decently well, but has never posted on the forums. He suddenly has a problem, with oh, an AVISynth script, and decides to go on the forums to recieve legitimate help only to find out that he can't post in the part of the site specifically for his trouble, but instead has to post in a section for "noobs." It doesn't help him at all, but instead punishes him.

A portion of the site like this should not punish members, but should be there for those who actually need it.

So basically, I'm pretty much for an introductory forum (which would obviously be a bit more properly targeted/moderated than the last one to keep it more focused).

However, you have to be aware that the stupid questions will still be asked elsewhere on the site from time to time, etc., and also that many people simply don't read regardless of how obvious it's made.

[JaddziaDax]

TJ pretty much sums up my stance on the subject :3

[aesling]

Thanks for posting TJ. I see your points about the flaws of a newbie forum. It was merely the most implementable solution to certain problems I could think of at the time. Perhaps an introductory forum would be sufficiently effective. I think the thing most critics of this idea are not understanding though is that I am not suggesting that we "coddle" or "sugar coat" things for newbies. Coddling and not ripping a newbie an new one the moment they do something wrong are not the same thing at all. I'm not trying to get anyone to cater to the lazy. Yes, there are going to still be people who are lazy and won't read what's there no matter what we do. What I'm trying to do is create some way to give newbies with potential the tools they need, without scaring them off the first time they make a mistake. Sure, some will stick around and persevere in the face of flaming, but I don't think that others who feel they don't have to put up with poor treatment are without merit simply because we think they "gave up".

[76]

exibit A.

Well, in that case, are there any other sites anybody would recommend to post amvs on?

I really want to post the one I just finished as soon as I can, it's one of the best ones I've made yet...

^posted by a member who joined a month ago


now all of you know what people mean by "you can take a horse to water, ect"


class A newb^^

I'm guessing that when you say "newbs with potential, you mean people who ACTUALLY make an(and every) effort to hone their editing skills and become a better part of the community,

this guy^ didn't even put anythought into what he was registering to, another example of clicking "I accept" without reading the Terms of use.

now I may be wrong about this guy, maybe some event (maybe a concussion) led to this misunderstanding of what this place is and used for. but after lurking here a month, (s)he should have gotten a basic idea of what is going on here, I mean come-on, didn't the person even read the labels on each forum? how did the person even navigate the site? (without reading?)




to understand the stupidity in that quote, go here >> http://www.animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/v ... hp?t=85475

[Tsunami Jones]

I mean come-on, didn't the person even read the labels on each forum?

That's sort of taken out of contex, though. The original question would be in the right place, if this were hostachel

[76]

what I meant by that, is the poster is at a site called "animemusicvideos.org
and they didn't even have a clue that this site hosts amvs.
and even if they did know that, why would they ask where to find a site to do so?


the impression I got, was that this user is, at the moment, completely clueless(no offence to the user, just how I read the situation.)

[Pas]

now I may be wrong about this guy, maybe some event (maybe a concussion) led to this misunderstanding of what this place is and used for. but after lurking here a month, (s)he should have gotten a basic idea of what is going on here, I mean come-on, didn't the person even read the labels on each forum? how did the person even navigate the site? (without reading?)




to understand the stupidity in that quote, go here >> http://www.animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/v ... hp?t=85475

Careful what you say there mate, I got a warning for flaming the kid

Also, I don't understand, what exactly does this have to do with the original proposal?