Can we lip synch Advent Children? Just thinking out loud...

DriftRoot · Post by **DriftRoot** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 9:43 pm

This is just kind of a vague argument I was having with myself, and I figured that it was never going to be resolved that way, so...

1. Some people say that Advent Children can't be lip synched. I assume their reasoning is that we (generally speaking) cannot manipulate the lip flap any time, any place as we would with normal anime. This argument interprets lip synching a process, one that doesn't really work on AC unless we're sitting in the Square Enix studios.

2. Some people say that if we have lip flap coincide suspiciously with lyics, that is lip synch. It doesn't matter how well it's done, it doesn't matter if we manually adjust the lip flap - if we deliberately showcase that lip flap, we're lip synching. Thus the complaint that some people leave lip synch out of the opinion lineup when they quite obviously intended some characters to be mouthing the lyrics. This argument interprets lip synching not so much as a process as a state of affairs.

So if someone's lip synched Advent Children, that's not really lip synching? If Sephiroth warbled "Somewhere over the rainbow" absolutely perfectly, that's not lip synching because the editor did nothing to adjust his lip flap? Ehhh???

My way out of this argument: lip synching Advent Children is mostly touch and go. If you pull it off, great, but chances are pretty good it was luck (or a unique interpretation of the term lip synch) and thus not really a reflection of one's skill at traditional lip synching. Regardless, Sephiroth doing his best Judy Garland impression is still lip synch and should be identified as such.

FinalResolve · Post by **FinalResolve** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 10:19 pm

I didn't read that ^ ...but this will answer your question.

MycathatesyouAMV · Post by **MycathatesyouAMV** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 10:25 pm

Its possible at some points during the movie. Even if you throw it in and time it down just a little, its considered lip sync/ Technically it even takes some skill to time it just right if you put it like that.

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 11:32 pm

It's possible to lip sync Akira if you do it right so... maybe.

Niotex · Post by **Niotex** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 11:43 pm

Everything is possible. Most kids around here just don't put enough effort into it.

Tsunami Jones · Post by **Tsunami Jones** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:16 am

Yes. I mean, it's hard, but even live-action can be (sorta) lip-synched.

Knowname · Post by **Knowname** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:50 am

I lip synced Akira ;p is that still the benchmark?? lol. (ok, one line shouldn't count, but still, it's possible -_-)

But on topic, I've no clue how kids lipsynch these days... I mean, obviously WMM users have to just rely on timing and (if there is no background) the djing thing ie they don't do it... but, those that do lipsynch, I obviously do it differently. Back when I did Akira (2002) I did it PAINSTAIKINGLY frame by frame and I'd suppose you'd have to do that with AC as well... taking in account Premiere doesn't count by SECONDS, or MS'. Oh NO! You'd think it would, but Premiere counts by FRAMES ie in a 29fps amv there's 29 ticks in a full tock or in a 23fps there's 23 ticks in a tock. kinda' crap when you extract a handfull of frames via vdub to edit and can't put them back in right cuz you don't have 3 toes on each foot (excluding Castor Troy of coarse...) so all calculations are OFF!! Bah.

Dodn't matter, I quit that game. I now simply go back a few frames, copy, cut out the mouth and overlay it doing the dj thing with just the mouth in my second layer. get's VERY tricky if you have camera/ head movement... but that actually hasn't been a problem for me since 2002...

Knowname · Post by **Knowname** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:58 am

edit: actually in Pedeo I had to expand one scene(in laymans terms, zoom out...) so I could insert the full area of the moving mouth without the audience noticing the man behind the curtain. If you notice, his mouth is saying one thing, but his nose is saying another ;p.

Infinity Squared · Post by **Infinity Squared** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 3:55 am

It's possible CLICK ...

JaddziaDax · Post by **JaddziaDax** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:40 pm

i don't agree with the intentional lipflap = lipsync especially when you purposefully make it off sync, though I've been accused of attempting to lipsync and failing.. when it was an intentionally off lipflap