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Infinity Squared · Post by **Infinity Squared** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:02 am

I believe that videos to be judged will have to be nominated either by the owner or by someone else altogether. I think the purpose of the VCAs was to give due to credit to videos that were enjoyed by the people, and if this is to be an offshoot of the the VCAs then, I think we should keep that same spirit.

Having it where people enter their videos only (and not allowing others to nominate other people's videos that they've appreciated) kind of limits the possibilities. A similar system to the pimping that goes on in the VCA could be made more official. If the purpose of this award system is to award the truly best for the year, then we cannot just limit it to the people most active in the website as we all know there are some editors out there who aren't active at all but make tremendous contributions to the fandom.

SacredArrow18 · Post by **SacredArrow18** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:05 am

hmmm this sounds like a good idea. cause it does seem like last years vca's were mostly with popular editors on the org. and this is a good idea.

Ileia · Post by **Ileia** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:09 am

Why stop there? Why not Donator's Choice as well?

jasper-isis · Post by **jasper-isis** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:12 am

I donno how much of my convo with Oto he passed on to you, but my thoughts were as follows:

First of all, neat idea.

Most likely, the administration wouldn't have any hand in this, and it'll have to be an independently sponsored thing.

You'd have to handle it very carefully. Though you have good intentions, this has the potential to rub people more in the wrong way than the VCAs do (I mean in the "it's just a popularity contest blah blah" way). Especially if the judges know each other well and such. (Can't deny that some people like to take any connection they see and call it bias.)

I guess the trick is to strike the balance between not-taking-it-seriously and taking-it-too-seriously. Or something.

Chiikaboom · Post by **Chiikaboom** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:14 am

im up for it. :O

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:16 am

jasper-isis wrote: I guess the trick is to strike the balance between not-taking-it-seriously and taking-it-too-seriously. Or something.

xEleventy!

Otherwise, basically let's face it - you have to just act on this. I think there is/would be enough interest by default. Interest is not the key here though; if there's a first priority here, it's defining what criteria make a good judge.
The second priority is defining judging standards themselves.

Those two will be needed to "sell" the idea - not so much to the .org administration or anything, but to the public. We don't want people to just blame everything on the judges' bias in the end and say the context is crap

requiett · Post by **requiett** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:20 am

It'd probably be in the best interest to keep the judges anonymous, were there a panel, especially during the voting. I'm all for a panel of judges, because people on this site have fucking atrocious taste. I mean, they fucking watch anime for god's sake.

Pwolf · Post by **Pwolf** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:24 am

good idea... also a good idea to make the judges anonymous... so the judges don't know who each other are as well.

Pwolf

Koopiskeva · Post by **Koopiskeva** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:40 am

Castor Troy wrote:I'm all for a judge's panel.

I say the requirements to be a judge would have to be someone who's really watched alot of the videos this year and can show a fair and non biased opinion.

This is where the audience actually gets to have some input - where they're the ones that nominate and then vote on the judges to be.

Infinity Squared wrote:I believe that videos to be judged will have to be nominated either by the owner or by someone else altogether. I think the purpose of the VCAs was to give due to credit to videos that were enjoyed by the people, and if this is to be an offshoot of the the VCAs then, I think we should keep that same spirit.

Having it where people enter their videos only (and not allowing others to nominate other people's videos that they've appreciated) kind of limits the possibilities. A similar system to the pimping that goes on in the VCA could be made more official. If the purpose of this award system is to award the truly best for the year, then we cannot just limit it to the people most active in the website as we all know there are some editors out there who aren't active at all but make tremendous contributions to the fandom.

This is not necessarily to be an 'offshoot' of the VCA, but rather a complement. I do think though that nomination of videos, not directly entered by the editor's themselves is a possibility, I just don't know how many videos will end up being nominated - and especially if this is only to be judged by a select handful of judges - that could get quite daunting to be a judge. A dilemma, considering that I do want this to be as all-inclusive as possible of the whole year. A lot of dedication on the judge's behalf would be needed for sure.

jasper-isis wrote:I donno how much of my convo with Oto he passed on to you, but my thoughts were as follows:

First of all, neat idea.

Most likely, the administration wouldn't have any hand in this, and it'll have to be an independently sponsored thing.

You'd have to handle it very carefully. Though you have good intentions, this has the potential to rub people more in the wrong way than the VCAs do (I mean in the "it's just a popularity contest blah blah" way). Especially if the judges know each other well and such. (Can't deny that some people like to take any connection they see and call it bias.)

I guess the trick is to strike the balance between not-taking-it-seriously and taking-it-too-seriously. Or something.

I understand that the admins probably would not want to get involved in this, not yet at least, however if this does go live and become somewhat of an authoritative contest on its own - then I would really like it to be integrated with the org (but it would definitely be nice to have cooperation from the org in the form of contest promotion).

As for the judges - I think Requiett had a great idea of keeping it anonymous - perhaps having people nominated to be judges, and then having a private poll to vote which ones should be the judges. So, the audience will never actually know of whom the nominees were selected.

Otohiko wrote: Otherwise, basically let's face it - you have to just act on this. I think there is/would be enough interest by default. Interest is not the key here though; if there's a first priority here, it's defining what criteria make a good judge.
The second priority is defining judging standards themselves.

Those two will be needed to "sell" the idea - not so much to the .org administration or anything, but to the public. We don't want people to just blame everything on the judges' bias in the end and say the context is crap

I don't think we can ever fully get away with 'bias' in the eyes of many people, but I think this would give a different view upon the year of AMVs.. Criteria on the judging and judge selection is definitely key though, but I think they would serve more as guidelines, especially for the selection of the judges, rather than anything concrete. Do you happen to have any specific 'criteria' that you'd like to see in the judge selection and the actual judging aspect?

So far though, all good inputs.

Greggus1 · Post by **Greggus1** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:54 am

I kinda don't see the point. It seems like exactly what AWA is for. And I think it would take some of the focus away from this being a site where one can simply share one's creations, without any competitive aspect involved. I just don't see the need for more of that. Honestly, who deserves recognition and hasn't gotten any, through the VCAs or cons? I also believe in the principle that you become popular when putting out consistently good work, and that one excellent video should not automatically get you recognition. That's not how the world has ever worked in any domain, and it's not how it ever should.

In short, and I mean this in the nicest way possible, I believe your idea to fail as hard as communism, though not in the exact same way

JCA