a-m-v.org Condones Art Theft?

tirachan · Post by **tirachan** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:53 am

I hate to say it, but the assumptions that people are making are rather ludicrous, to say the least; be proud that the art was used, that it is my art, and that I should accept the fact that it is being used. In the quickness to insult me, people have ignored some basic facts, including the fact that the art in question does not use the anime style. It is the artist's own personal style (and I AM NOT the artist), and, despite doing what is considered a fan work, the artist does have rights as to what they have produced and their style. Those who are quick to make excuses, I worry that they might use their self-made excuses in the future to support actions of their own in a similar vein to Mike of the Desert. As for Links, I will gladly post them.
The Banner:
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/_media/ ... thNote.jpg
The real Artist:
http://silentreaper.deviantart.com
Artwork stolen:
http://silentreaper.deviantart.com/art/ ... e-46000177
Panel 8
http://silentreaper.deviantart.com/art/ ... y-54457956
Panel 3
http://silentreaper.deviantart.com/art/ ... d-55501920
Panel 29
http://silentreaper.deviantart.com/art/ ... s-48537142
Last Panel

So you see, it isn't just ripping a single piece of art; it is rather systematic.

Purge · Post by **Purge** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:59 am

i think this is getting out of hand - i don't know what possessed you to attack specifically this user for his banner art - your reasons seem so fueled by morality it borders on ridiculous when you consider the content of this site. Two seconds of browsing on the original artists website i found this in a FAQ.

"Can I use your artwork for such and such?" -- As long as you cite/credit, it's fine by me!

http://silentreaper.deviantart.com/journal/14737146/

so really what the fuck is your deal? why not just ask the banner maker to credit it?

Prodigi · Post by **Prodigi** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:13 am

tirachan wrote:In the quickness to insult me, people have ignored some basic facts, including the fact that the art in question does not use the anime style. It is the artist's own personal style (and I AM NOT the artist), and, despite doing what is considered a fan work, the artist does have rights as to what they have produced and their style. Those who are quick to make excuses, I worry that they might use their self-made excuses in the future to support actions of their own in a similar vein to Mike of the Desert. A

Riiiiight. When Matt Groening's lawyers come knocking on my door because I started selling a Simpsons cartoon, taking the existing characters and universe created by Matt Groening, just creating my own plots and drawing it in my own style, I'll be sure to point them to your fool-proof argument on the ways of copyright. Your argument is almost as retarded as this.

Yok/0 · Post by **Yok/0** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:33 am

tirachan wrote:I hate to say it, but the assumptions that people are making are rather ludicrous, to say the least; be proud that the art was used, that it is my art, and that I should accept the fact that it is being used. In the quickness to insult me, people have ignored some basic facts, including the fact that the art in question does not use the anime style. It is the artist's own personal style (and I AM NOT the artist), and, despite doing what is considered a fan work, the artist does have rights as to what they have produced and their style. Those who are quick to make excuses, I worry that they might use their self-made excuses in the future to support actions of their own in a similar vein to Mike of the Desert. As for Links, I will gladly post them.
The Banner:
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/_media/ ... thNote.jpg
The real Artist:
http://silentreaper.deviantart.com
Artwork stolen:
http://silentreaper.deviantart.com/art/ ... e-46000177
Panel 8
http://silentreaper.deviantart.com/art/ ... y-54457956
Panel 3
http://silentreaper.deviantart.com/art/ ... d-55501920
Panel 29
http://silentreaper.deviantart.com/art/ ... s-48537142
Last Panel

So you see, it isn't just ripping a single piece of art; it is rather systematic.

<.< you twit, I've seen people on youtube make a sort of video comic out of this and actually "STOLEN" in both ways the credit and the picture. Why don't you go to them and the 100 other sites who stole Yaoi images of TMNT. If your gonna resort to this everytime an art is a banner, then I want you to fend off the hundred other sites like youtube who steal. : /

Again with the Copy Right though. -_-

tirachan · Post by **tirachan** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:45 am

Well, i reported it to both the mod drop and the admin; after that I am done with the matter. Go ahead and have fun attacking my intelligence, children; I will not stoop down to the level at which you seem most comfortable.

Prodigi · Post by **Prodigi** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:59 am

First of all: you're 23. Watch who you call children.

Second of all: we only attack the intelligence of those who clearly lack it.

Yok/0 · Post by **Yok/0** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:20 am

Good thing i kept this saved for this occasion cause i found someone on Deviant Art who Stole MY little art piece for the begining of my old amv, "Shinigami Rock"

http://k-shogun.deviantart.com/art/Blea ... o-35741478
(Actually it was made by an old friend of mine, Nandez)

The info before claimed it to be his until Nandez took charge, so as you can see here, there is a good percentage of thieves on your end...But yet your only quick to jump at others -_-. I'll leave it at that for now since I really don't want your brain to piss itself, you having intelligence and all.

BasharOfTheAges · Post by **BasharOfTheAges** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:51 am

This thread certainly made me lol.

Scott Green · Post by **Scott Green** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:29 pm

BasharOfTheAges wrote:This thread certainly made me lol.

x2

wurpess · Post by **wurpess** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:03 pm

Apparently my post was way too long for people to feel like reading.

tirachan wrote:Those who are quick to make excuses, I worry that they might use their self-made excuses in the future to support actions of their own in a similar vein to Mike of the Desert.

tirachan wrote:So you see, it isn't just ripping a single piece of art; it is rather systematic.

Now see, as I said in my long ass post, I don't think the problem is really the artist not wanting their work used, its how you guys go about asking it to be removed. Like you just assume that the person purposely took your work without asking, tried to take credit and profit from it, and so you all jump around going 'Thief! They stole my stuff! Punish them! Take it back!' like you just assume they did it knowingly and on purpose.

That's about the equivelent of someone with a used car lot stealing your car and putting it on their lot. Then someone who may or may not know the legitimacy of the lot comes along and buys it. Then they later end up selling it to someone who thinks they are taking part in a legitimate deal and that they are buying the car fair and square. Then you see the person in your car, just assume that they're the one who stole the car and that they knew all along it was yours, so you (and maybe some of your friends) drag them out of the car and beat them with a baseball bat screaming that they're a thief, when they had no clue. Or maybe they did. Either way, it would have been better to either alert the police, or if they seem like a nice person, maybe pull them aside, let them know, show them the police report, etc, and they might be willing to just give the car back.

The point is, its the internet. Stuff tends to wander. So even if you get art from sites that's usually ok with you using it, there's always a chance it came from somewhere that doesn't want it used. (Like deviantart) So I'm not saying 'Deal with it', I'm saying 'Chill'.

Purge wrote:i think this is getting out of hand - i don't know what possessed you to attack specifically this user for his banner art - your reasons seem so fueled by morality it borders on ridiculous when you consider the content of this site. Two seconds of browsing on the original artists website i found this in a FAQ.

"Can I use your artwork for such and such?" -- As long as you cite/credit, it's fine by me!
http://silentreaper.deviantart.com/journal/14737146/

so really what the fuck is your deal? why not just ask the banner maker to credit it?

Exactly. I found myself in the same situation once. Though, I had gotten it from somewhere else, since I prefer not to use deviantart art for this very reason. But I still found my self buried in nasty pm's from the artist's friends, attacking me, calling me a dirty thief, etc, since apparently the art originated from there. But I finally talked to the artist herself, and she let me keep the banner if I credit her on my page. Done. End of story. So not the drama everyone else was making it out to be. If the artist still wants it gone, so be it. But the hissy fit and drama really aren't necessary.