AMV Newsletter: Editing Tip - Timing

[quadir]

This is the discussion thread for the following November newsletter article.

Editing Tip Of The Month: Timing
by: AtomX
AtomX gives some tips on timing in Adobe Premiere.

[Pwolf]

something that i think was implied by not mentioned: if you're are using markers or just trying to time your sync in general. Don't look at the wavform but use your ears. The waveform is nice to find the beat you are looking for but placing it where the waveform says it is might not be the right place. Thats ultimately up to the editor of course.


Pwolf

[godix]

To clarify what pwolf said further keep in mind that most people process audio and visual info at different speeds. Especially if it's a very complex visual scene. Sometimes it actually looks better if a cut/effect is off by a few frames so the viewer ends up processing what they're seeing/hearing at the correct time. This tends to be more applicable for lyric sync than other syncs like beat sync. It usually takes a bit longer to catch that the lyric and picture are the same thing than it does to realize a bar is appearing on the beat or something. After you've done your cuts and made sure they're all exactly timed correctly by the waveform then sit down and actually watch the damned thing. If it looks wrong then it is wrong, even if technically it's right.

[Prodigi]

To clarify what pwolf said further keep in mind that most people process audio and visual info at different speeds. Especially if it's a very complex visual scene. Sometimes it actually looks better if a cut/effect is off by a few frames so the viewer ends up processing what they're seeing/hearing at the correct time. This tends to be more applicable for lyric sync than other syncs like beat sync. It usually takes a bit longer to catch that the lyric and picture are the same thing than it does to realize a bar is appearing on the beat or something. After you've done your cuts and made sure they're all exactly timed correctly by the waveform then sit down and actually watch the damned thing. If it looks wrong then it is wrong, even if technically it's right.

Second'd

Sometimes its better to go with something that's more comfortable to watch, then something that's timed to the exact beat.

[x_rex30]

To clarify what pwolf said further keep in mind that most people process audio and visual info at different speeds. Especially if it's a very complex visual scene. Sometimes it actually looks better if a cut/effect is off by a few frames so the viewer ends up processing what they're seeing/hearing at the correct time. This tends to be more applicable for lyric sync than other syncs like beat sync. It usually takes a bit longer to catch that the lyric and picture are the same thing than it does to realize a bar is appearing on the beat or something. After you've done your cuts and made sure they're all exactly timed correctly by the waveform then sit down and actually watch the damned thing. If it looks wrong then it is wrong, even if technically it's right.

I thought I was the only person who thought this. People tell me a part off a frame or two and I tell 'em it was on purpose.

[Prodigi]

To clarify what pwolf said further keep in mind that most people process audio and visual info at different speeds. Especially if it's a very complex visual scene. Sometimes it actually looks better if a cut/effect is off by a few frames so the viewer ends up processing what they're seeing/hearing at the correct time. This tends to be more applicable for lyric sync than other syncs like beat sync. It usually takes a bit longer to catch that the lyric and picture are the same thing than it does to realize a bar is appearing on the beat or something. After you've done your cuts and made sure they're all exactly timed correctly by the waveform then sit down and actually watch the damned thing. If it looks wrong then it is wrong, even if technically it's right.

I thought I was the only person who thought this. People tell me a part off a frame or two and I tell 'em it was on purpose.

That's different though. If someone is watching it and they feel that it's off, then you havn't done it right :p The whole purpose of 'not always going by the exact beat' is so that it looks right. Somehow I doubt someone has gone through your video frame by frame in their editing program just to go "LOL YOU MISSED THE BEAT BY 2 FRAMES", so if they're saying it feels slightly too late then you havn't adjusted accordingly.

[Brad]

I wholeheartedly agree with the whole "match to the audio instead of the waveform". Hence why the little "trick" I use works quite well (usually) since when you're adding the markers, you're adding them while listening to the audio, thusly when you tap is when you're actually hearing it, and not what the waveform says.

[Corran]

RE: removed posts

Please take it to PMs.


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Good advice on the syncing. I remember Vic Bond mentioning the * key on the Numpad tip a couple years ago. Used it a few times now. >_>

[Prodigi]

RE: removed posts

Please take it to PMs.

Thanks. Glad to see you kept my valid posts too

[x_rex30]

That's different though. If someone is watching it and they feel that it's off, then you havn't done it right :p

I just want to say this to that though. No disrespect to your opinion.. I mean.. sorry that can't be considered an a opinion coming from you.. I meant to say fact. My non fact opinion on it is that it could be right in it's own way. I have had people say I edited a certain part wrong and it should of been done differently while another would say they love how I did that same part. I'm sure only the idiots though thought the parts were cool though.. since I'm just lying to myself to think any elite amver would find those parts to be good. If only I was a good editor.

Humble Right?

Thanks for keeping my VALID posts to Corran. >.> Nevermind.. there are probably there just to support how wrong I am and how right the outstanding, knowing right from wrong in all situations Deaf Jester. I really look up to him.