Artistic Philosophy and Its Applications on AMV Production

[Kionon]

WARNING: This was a quote from Encyclopedia Dramatica, go cry to them.

"AMVs (or anime music videos) are exactly that. Music videos made from clips of anime found online. Usually feature copious amount of stock effects courtesy of their pirated version of Adobe Premiere (or Windows Movie Maker), considered artistic expression by people who are too lazy or untalented to create their own material"

I see what you did thar.

[omegaevolution]

I completely disagree with this

x2

who needs philosophy and art in AMVs?, make them for fun damn it!

hell yea! ^_^

AMVs are serious business.

WARNING: This was a quote from Encyclopedia Dramatica, go cry to them.

"AMVs (or anime music videos) are exactly that. Music videos made from clips of anime found online. Usually feature copious amount of stock effects courtesy of their pirated version of Adobe Premiere (or Windows Movie Maker), considered artistic expression by people who are too lazy or untalented to create their own material"

lol thats what my sister says to me, and she IS an artist (she draws, and pretty well).

how can AMVs be serious business?, you get paid for them?, cause that would be a crime if you don't have the rights , if AMVs are serious then its not a hobbie anymore

and I have to agree that something to be art has to be something 100% of your own creation, and saddly AMVs have 33% of anime owned by someone else, 33% of music owned by someone else and 33% of your time and effort (in whatever you do with the other 66%).

[Beowulf]

BEO THREAD.

mine would be better written, and funnier

[Kalium]

and I have to agree that something to be art has to be something 100% of your own creation, and saddly AMVs have 33% of anime owned by someone else, 33% of music owned by someone else and 33% of your time and effort (in whatever you do with the other 66%).

There's so much wrong with this that I barely even know where to begin. Ever hear of collage? Audio remixing? Sampling? Techno music? Hell, even classical is full of bits and pieces lifted from elsewhere and transformed. To say that because a piece contains something that originated elsewhere renders it not art is farcical.

beholder is good times

I had better watch out for the anti-magic zone, then...

[Kionon]

BEO THREAD.

mine would be better written, and funnier

I didn't intend to be funny, and I pride myself on my writing ability, considering that's what I actually studied for and plan to do for a living.

Now that being said, why don't you contribute, since you claim so much ability.

[omegaevolution]

and I have to agree that something to be art has to be something 100% of your own creation, and saddly AMVs have 33% of anime owned by someone else, 33% of music owned by someone else and 33% of your time and effort (in whatever you do with the other 66%).

There's so much wrong with this that I barely even know where to begin. Ever hear of collage? Audio remixing? Sampling? Techno music? Hell, even classical is full of bits and pieces lifted from elsewhere and transformed. To say that because a piece contains something that originated elsewhere renders it not art is farcical.

Collages that use copyrighted stuff and you didn't paid for them are not art in my dictionary =/. If you mean using normal photos, then what?, most of the photos taken at whatever aren't with copyrights and you could call it art, so what?.
Audio remixing... since when those are art?.
dunno what is wrong with Techno music
and I don't know what you mean with "classical", that could be anything for me =/.

Anyway I don't care what examples you try to show to prove a point, for most and I say for MOST people that make AMVs or fan videos in general they take it as a hobbie where you have fun editing (well some people only do it to prove themselves that are good at something, still no art there). And no matter what conclusion a few people will reach in this topic, AMVs will never be art for me. Now if you excuse me, I will leave this topic.

[Qyot27]

courtesy of their pirated version of Adobe Premiere (or Windows Movie Maker)

Pirated WMM FTW.

Are you claiming that expression can be limited to just the beholder? Or are you claiming intertexuality as necessary to art?

If the latter, than I agree. That's the counter-expression I speak of. Art necessitates feedback, even if that feedback never reaches the original artist. And certainly the understanding, the counter-expression, can be very different from the intended expression present in any body of work.

I believe it would be the latter. What the artist intends may be clearly evident in the piece and easily perceived, or the one viewing is forced to find their own understanding and perception of the work. A question of gratification or general engaging that goes on may factor into it as well because connectives like emotion are multi-faceted.

So in fact, your argument has even less of an appreciation for the concept of anime music videos as creation but not expression. Your fundamental claim here seems to be, and correct me if I am wrong, that since expression cannot separated from creation, that all creation is expressive and therefore all anime music videos, regardless of participation, are art, and maintain some sort of message or meaning.

In a sense, yes. I feel there is more than just an X and Y axis in this based on creation vs. expression. The Z axis being perception, and whether something can be said to be 'good' art or 'bad' art. Inherently subjective, for sure, but something that happens no matter what piece is being examined - it's simply the way the mind works. What someone judges to be 'bad' art may retain its status as art in their mind, or they might not consider it art at all. Does that mean it isn't, though?

While I see creation and expression as being inseparable, I don't see them being equal in presence, and that the degree can change - usually in regard to the expressive. Part of what may influence the decision one makes as to whether something is 'good' or 'bad' art is how much they can perceive and resonate with the expression in the work, of either the artist or their own self-constructed view. It's a variable weighted against multiple factors.

This isn't to say things have to be necessarily complex - it could be as simple as admiring the technical beauty of something, and finding value in it via that (portraits, for instance, I think could be grouped here if not intended purely as an exercise in stretching boundaries or trying to be overtly pretentious).

[Beowulf]

Good art is above intellect. While that concept isn't readily accepted in a community as nerdy and brainy as ours, I think its true.

You, as a person with a soul, immediately know when you see art. Its not an intellectual response. You don't see a painting and have to THINK about whether you like it or not. If it hits you, it hits you. Thats it. The spirit moves you, and you connect.

Which is why I'm completely done with threads like this. Our community is constantly hampering itself with this NEVER ENDING doubt and debate about "what is art", "are we really art?", when really, the answer is moot. Whether this comes out of genuine concern or if nerds bond by waxing intellectual and repeating themselves, I don't care. Frankly, the people who are most concerned with their status in the art world are the people who's videos are awful and/or completely unknown.

Do painters gather around once every month and debate whether or not they "ARE art"?. Do writers go to their exceptionally well written forums and talk about art and how they fit into its spectrum?

If we spent HALF of the fucking time we spend talking about art, actually trying to PUSH the artistic envelope, we would have edited the Mona Lisa 5 times over. Leave to a group of nerds to try to figure out the MEANING of ART. ROFLROFlROFLRFORLFORLFORLFORLFORLF

If it hits you emotionally, its art. If you feel it in your heart, its art.

[inthesto]

"Soul."

I laugh out loud every time I hear that word being used seriously.

"Seriously."

[Kionon]

Do writers go to their exceptionally well written forums and talk about art and how they fit into its spectrum?

Yes. All the time. At least in the circles I am involved in. When asked what I do for a living, I may say journalist. If asked what I am, I answer that I am a writer. And I have spent countless hours debating the nature of my writing, whether it constitutes as art, and how I fit into the spectrum. As does every serious writer I personally know.