A guide for dealing with the fact you just suck

[JaddziaDax]

Godix's insults are addictive... once you have gotten one, you want more O.o

[dazza1008]

OK, for those who think I've gone off-topic (and indeed my argument has been spread over several posts)

The article that godix linked to highlighted the need for critical feedback to be taken on board by the writers, since many would take it as a personal insult. It is the author's opinion that any good writer would be interested in how to improve their work. The article also highlighted the difference between a flame (a personal attack on the author without reference to the original work) and constructive criticism (mentioning problems with the piece in question). The author felt that because of unwarranted sensitivity to constructive criticism, there is a group of authors who think that praise is the only appropriate feedback, and the author felt this sugar-coating attitude was halting the progress of the writing community, since possible improvements would not be mentioned. Hence the article to clarify this, to get the writing community set straight.

Simple conversion of these points to a-m-v.org? My answer- no.

What was not highlighted in the article but is also relevant, in my opinion, is the way in which "constructive criticism" is given. There are intentionally crushing ways to mention improvements, and there are neutral or even encouraging ways to mention improvements.

It should be universally accepted that the more f words one uses when giving feedback, the less encouraging it is for the original artist.

If the person giving (rude) feedback expects the artist to ignore the way it was said and take note any suggestions (i.e. to be a "good" artist/writer, as described in the article), then it should be reasonable to expect the person giving feedback to mention the improvements in the most encouraging way possible. Words do have an effect.

If someone does not think they have a responsibility to be polite, then I have to question their motives behind giving feedback in the first place.

However, if there is a group of people who don't care about the way it's said, then it's OK to use whatever language. But I think it's only fair to establish that the recipient would be OK with it.

(and for some reason I thought godix posted this because he was unhappy with a comment he had received - LOL)

[Big Dumb Face]

If the person giving (rude) feedback expects the artist to ignore the way it was said and take note any suggestions (i.e. to be a "good" artist/writer, as described in the article), then it should be reasonable to expect the person giving feedback to mention the improvements in the most encouraging way possible. Words do have an effect.

If someone does not think they have a responsibility to be polite, then I have to question their motives behind giving feedback in the first place.

Just be very very careful with this as the coin has too sides. Alot of people end up doing what the article warns against (not criticizing to spare feelings) under the guise of politeness. If someones work absolutely sucks, don;t tell them "it was good, but..." Unless it really WAS more good than bad.
Constructive criticism, just as most other things in life, is a balancing act.

[dazza1008]

Just be very very careful with this as the coin has too sides. Alot of people end up doing what the article warns against (not criticizing to spare feelings) under the guise of politeness. If someones work absolutely sucks, don;t tell them "it was good, but..." Unless it really WAS more good than bad.
Constructive criticism, just as most other things in life, is a balancing act.

I agree with your point, and I'm glad you brought it up so I could say what I was thinking more clearly. I wouldn't be polite to the point of lying. In fact, I would separate what was said from the way it was said. Whether someone is polite or not, in my view, doesn't affect the core points they are mentioning. I prefer people to say exactly what they think, even if they don't like it, give as many details as possible, but to say it in a courteous way.

[Prodigi]

Just be very very careful with this as the coin has too sides. Alot of people end up doing what the article warns against (not criticizing to spare feelings) under the guise of politeness. If someones work absolutely sucks, don;t tell them "it was good, but..." Unless it really WAS more good than bad.
Constructive criticism, just as most other things in life, is a balancing act.

I agree with your point, and I'm glad you brought it up so I could say what I was thinking more clearly. I wouldn't be polite to the point of lying. In fact, I would separate what was said from the way it was said. Whether someone is polite or not, in my view, doesn't affect the core points they are mentioning. I prefer people to say exactly what they think, even if they don't like it, give as many details as possible, but to say it in a courteous way.

You suck. That's about as polite as yer gonna get.

[JaddziaDax]

and for some reason I thought godix posted this because he was unhappy with a comment he had received - LOL

Naw, godix likes to stir it up every now and again and poke and see what happens
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As for being polite or rude or neutral: You can't expect EVERYONE to think along the same "politeness standards" as you or any one else.

Some people want blunt, in your face observations, other's want sugar coating. People tend to give what they would want. (All flaming aside that is... srsly sometimes, I wonder if it's the guys pmsing around here more than the girls O: lol)

So, the best you can do as the receiver of such a variety of comments is to filter through them yourself, and decide which ones make "valid points" and which ones don't.

[outlawed]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpIYz8tfGjY

[Knowname]

It is the author's opinion that any good writer would be interested in how to improve their work.

I must not be a 'good' author than... cuz I don't give a FUCK about improvements, I just wanna get my ideas out. They PAINS me, master!

No, there are actually many types of ppl, ppl like me, who create peices ONLY to amuse themselves, though make them public not INTENDING to amuse anybody else, but just in case it does *_*. And there are those that struggle to be the best. And DON'T try to relate this to dedication! I bet I spent more time on the org than anybody here... except maybe Katie ^_^.

[JaddziaDax]

considering you signed up 2 years before me I think you might win

[BasharOfTheAges]

... and the person doesn't know my situation when it comes to making videos

If you proofread that article you'd notice the bit about everything being judged equally. Your situation doesn't mean jack shit - everything should be held to the same standard (according to the article at least).