<b>Bonus Video:</b>
If you're reading this then by now you know what this is. It's the weekly gathering to watch, discuss, and insult a video none of us would ever dream of downloading on our own. If you want to toss in your two cents feel free to do so in this topic. I'm sure Quadir and the mods would want me to point out that you should be polite. OTOH I'm not being polite so why should you?
The chatroom is always open. It's #amv-review on the zirc network. We do more than trash videos on monday ya know. We also trash betas any night of the week. Assuming we're paying any attention to the room at all of course. Which is a mighty big assumption. Hell, lets be honest here, the only activity the room sees is when orwell and I are usually babbling about some political bullshit. But we will take time out of that to explain how and why you suck if ya want. So feel free to drop in on us.
We're trying to get people besides orwell and me in on the whole demoralizing people thing so on Thursday it's beta night. We're giving out milk and cookies. Come on by. Don't ask for milk and cookies, we'll have eaten them all by then.
Usually this stuff is run by quadir. Usually this thread is posted by quadir. Tonight he was kidnapped by aliens and anally probed. Or something like that. So orwell hosted the review and I'm posting the thread. Quadir also edits out the worthless off topic garbage we talk about. I figure bugger that for a lark. Just consider it a chance to see what it's REALLY like without having been prettied up or something.
Participants: Each persons name is before their comment. I think you can figure out who was involved all on your own.
<b>Main video discussion</b>
[19:57] <Orwell> Before we really get started, I'd like to start out with a focus on the theme or story of the video. Part of this is because I can't figure out what the fuck the guy's saying for mroe than like... 5 lines total.
[19:58] <Servo101010> The video was okay in my opinion. It's goals of mood and emotion are achieved. But the rewatch value is very low. Especially for a majority.
[19:58] <Orwell> Otherwise just to give us a structure to hopefully narrow in on something a tad more useful
[19:58] <Rathisponge> I cant understand what he is saying and I have been unable to find the lyrics to the song.
[19:58] <Outlet> Lyrics: http://www.tabscout.com/guitartab/wKpJw61@/Starwest/
[19:58] <Servo101010> When you say story Orwell, do mean the story in the video, or the series.
[19:58] <Rathisponge> ah Thank you
[19:59] <Orwell> Eh, before we get started, everyone get their opinion in? Or are a few still opping?
[19:59] <Outlet> accuracy disclaimed
[19:59] <godix> The lyrics were english?
[19:59] <Rathisponge> It sounded like they were.
[20:00] <MD> dling
[20:00] <Servo101010> Sorry, still opping here. I won't post another until I finish.
[20:02] <MD> slow dl
[20:06] <godix> I like the dead silence about theme....
[20:07] <godix> *poke*
[20:07] <godix> *poke*
[20:07] <godix> I'm the only one alive.
[20:07] <Rathisponge> Are we supposed to state the themes now?
[20:07] * godix eyes Orwell
[20:07] <MD> so on mondays someone randomly picks videos and you op and discuss
[20:07] * godix unzipps his pants
[20:08] <godix> Essentially.
[20:08] * godix mounts orwell
[20:08] <Orwell> Finally some sex
[20:08] <Orwell> Eh, I was waiting till everyone finished opping, or most did
[20:08] <godix> Ah fuck, you're alive. It's no fun if you're alive.
[20:08] <Orwell> Most done?
[20:09] <godix> Orwell: Hey, did you announce in the forums and #amv and shit?
[20:09] <Orwell> Hmmm, not forums
[20:10] <Orwell> There we go. Eh, I'll till 9:10 and begin.
[20:10] <Orwell> I'm still watching it myself trying to get something more than titties and panties out of it.
[20:11] <godix> Orwell: The song tells the story more than the video does actually.
[20:11] <MD> 83% dled
[20:12] <Orwell> holy crap I bruised my arm. Godix, you were doing it wrong.
[20:12] <godix> Well you were supposed to be dead, who cares if a corpse gets a bruise?
[20:12] <Orwell> My pretty pink is now a purplish yellow.
[20:13] <Kionon> I have noisy ass neighbors.
[20:13] <polecat> So basically, boy meets girl, girl turns out to be a demon, which is bad because boy is demon slayer.
[20:13] <Kionon> I really hope that some more geek students move in.
[20:13] <Kionon> I'm tired of the other half of the building being people who go in and out all night.
[20:14] <godix> Based on the lyrics I got a more general boy fucks over girl. Girl turns into demon to get revenge. Boy kills girl. Moral of the story - it's alright to fuck over then kill the bitch
[20:14] <Orwell> That would make some sense of the story, I didn't see any lyrics on that page, and I'll be fucked if I can hear anything besidesa few lines.
[20:14] <godix> next to 'notice & lyrics' click show.
[20:14] <Rathisponge> there is a link beside Notice and Lyrics
[20:14] <polecat> I was going by the Kemonozume wikipedia article
[20:14] <Servo101010> Alright, I'm back, I haven't been updated on what's being discussed yet so don't flame if I say something that's already been said.
[20:15] <Orwell> Oh, wait, I'm am idiot. Dur.
[20:15] <godix> we're still jacking off to the titties in the video and waiting for ops to get done
[20:15] <MD> working on my op
[20:15] <polecat> I like Godix's interpretation too, it's very revealing
[20:16] <MD> omg is this song engrish?
[20:16] <Orwell> But where does s he betray him?
[20:16] <godix> HA! I'm not the only one surprised that was english they were speaking
[20:16] * WC|fewdz is now known as WC
[20:16] <Orwell> Er, he her
[20:16] <Servo101010> Can I make a suggestion? Could we perhaps in the future, have review participants make their opinion scores first, and then after the review chat, we could submit our comments?
[20:17] <godix> They didn't show. I don't think the source was there.
[20:17] <Kionon> You'd have to ask quadir.
[20:17] <Orwell> Talk to Quadir about that one, he thinks if we make our reviews final it'll just be group think.
[20:17] <Kionon> But I don't like that idea.
[20:17] <Orwell> Godix: Perhaps but, then shouldn't he have at least edited it a little to imply it more?
[20:17] <Servo101010> I'm just wondering if anyone agrees with me.
[20:17] <Kionon> The point is to see where our opinions differ based on uninfluenced viewings.
[20:18] <Kionon> Or as uninfluenced as one can be.
[20:18] <Orwell> I mean first we have sex, then we go to dinner and room falls apart and then we're in battle
[20:18] <Rathisponge> Did you wish for us to state what we thought the theme was Orwell?
[20:18] <Orwell> Servo101010: THe current system works, though it's preferable
[20:18] <godix> Orwell: I think it's basically a first year art student was told 'Do a video about love, betrayal, and revenge'. Which would explain why watching the thing none of those ideas really comes out.
[20:18] <Orwell> Oh, yeah, go go.
[20:18] <Orwell> State your theme or story
[20:19] <Orwell> Or whatever you thought it was trying to get across.
[20:19] <Rathisponge> I believe the theme , if there is one is revenge. It does seem after reading the lyrics and watching the amv again, that the boy betrayed the girl after some type of relationship with her and her transformation into a demon and attacking was her revenge.
[20:20] <Servo101010> This reviewer's interpretation of theme was 'Forbidden Love.'
[20:20] <Orwell> Actually, that's rather interesting Godix, because I think the style of the art itself carries on the story as much as anything
[20:20] <godix> The 'revenge' part carries through. The love part, well, I guess. The betrayal part isn't there at all.
[20:20] <godix> But on a first viewing you don't get much of that, it's all just 'what is this shit?'
[20:21] <Rathisponge> I agree, godix.
[20:21] <Orwell> followed by 'ooh, tits and panties'
[20:21] <godix> except they weren't even attractive tits.
[20:21] <Orwell> Servo, jump in and expand on it if you like.
[20:21] <Rathisponge> I was unable to find the point of betrayal in the amv, but the love and revenge seemed fairly prevalent
[20:21] <Kionon> Is this vid on local?
[20:21] <godix> yes
[20:21] <Kionon> I always have problems with local.
[20:22] <Orwell> Kio: want me to DCC?
[20:22] <Orwell> Hmmm
[20:22] <Kionon> Please.
[20:22] <Orwell> may take as long though, anyone with a faster upload?
[20:22] <Orwell> Godix?
[20:22] <Servo101010> To justify my forbiden love interpretation, it's entirely based on the risque activity happening between Toshihiko and Yuka.
[20:22] <Kionon> But then at least I can resume.
[20:22] <Rathisponge> Are you referring to the overt sexuality servo?
[20:22] <godix> my upload is crap
[20:23] <Orwell> mine's 40kbps or os
[20:23] <godix> about what mine is
[20:23] <Servo101010> The forbiden love also is based on the fact that the sexuality takes place in a very dangerous manner, such as skydiving, deamon withins, and the fact that the main character himself is a hunter.
[20:23] <Orwell> Servo: what's so forbidden about it? The first thing they do after they meet is have sex, so there is no real, this is bad thing.
[20:24] <Kionon> orwell is sending it
[20:24] <godix> 'k
[20:24] <polecat> I thought the skydiving was a metaphor for trust
[20:24] <godix> I didn't see forbidden love. I saw a pissed off women get cut in half.
[20:24] <Rathisponge> So sexuality in itself is dangerous servo101010?
[20:24] * Kionon is also, admittedly, editing. >_>
[20:24] <godix> The sex didn't get dark overtones until after she felt betrayed by, well, whatever it was he did
[20:24] <polecat> it's forbidden cause she's a demon and he's a demon slayer
[20:25] <Rathisponge> Ah that is an interesting observation polecat.
[20:25] <godix> and none of that is clear in the video. She doesn't turn demonic until after the betray part. The start just shows her like normal
[20:25] <Servo101010> Pay attention to what's happening such as the two lovers make out upside down hanging off a building. This is a symbol of dangerous love.
[20:25] <polecat> got it from the wiki page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemonozume
[20:25] <godix> it's a symbol for people who like to fuck in odd places.
[20:26] <Orwell> But, is it really established he's a demon slayer? I mean, what's this thing where she's in the test tube? Is that her past and she was transformed into a demon?
[20:26] <godix> It's a tale of female power. In some ways the video reminded me a lot of parts of Pink Floyds The Wall actually.
[20:26] <Servo101010> Exactly polecat. Look at how the male is swinging a sword in the beginning.
[20:26] <Rathisponge> So possibly that forbidden love is innately dangerous, and will end up failing in the end.
[20:27] <polecat> you can't really tell from the video. He could just be a guy who likes to keep fit, and trims his hedge with a katana.
[20:27] <Rathisponge> What do you mean godix?
[20:27] <godix> Rathisponge: Ever seen The Wall?
[20:27] <Servo101010> You've also got to pay attention to the music and the mood it conveys.
[20:28] <Orwell> I suppose the question is, does the editor try to make this anything different from what the video is? Or is it just a retelling, albeit perhaps poor version, of the story?
[20:28] <Rathisponge> I have, but I must admit I don't remember much of it.
[20:28] <polecat> godix : yes, there are some scenes where the art style goes all Gerald Scarfe
[20:28] <Servo101010> And yes I've seen the Wall. I just recently finished an AMV on it.
[20:28] <godix> I didn't mean the art, I meant the use of symbols to show a female trapping a man.
[20:28] <Servo101010> But back to the video of course.
[20:28] <godix> The flower most notably reminded me of The Wall
[20:29] <Rathisponge> I am unsure Orwell. I have not seen the anime, but it doesnt seem the like the editor stays too far away from the original story.
[20:30] <Servo101010> Orwell, to expand your question, it's more about the emotion of a dangerous love.
[20:31] * ngsilver watches, prepares op
[20:31] <Orwell> True. I don't know if you can even call it a story, scenes that might otherwise be in order to produce a story seem juxtaposed so that where you thought there m ight be smoe sense it suddenly disappears.
[20:31] <Servo101010> BTW, I have to change computers now so I have to momentarily disconnect.
[20:32] <Orwell> About the 'venus fly trap' so to speak, I don't know if that works here, because around...
[20:32] * Kit is now known as Kit|wandering
[20:33] <Orwell> 2:30 or so, when he gets swallowed, that seems like a perfect time to shift in focus on the story more
[20:33] <Orwell> but what we get is just him dancing around, then naked girl and then a colon.
[20:33] <Orwell> Then a bunch of scene flashes and then ridiculously long credits.
[20:33] <godix> ya know, sometimes just because a person presents something in a pretentious artistic way doesn't mean it's actually deep.
[20:33] * WC|out is now known as WC
[20:34] <Orwell> True.
[20:34] <Orwell> Which is why your initial reaction is WTF is this.
[20:34] <Rathisponge> So what looks like a bowel movement, is him being swallowed?
[20:36] <Orwell> Could be. Though it almost seems as haphazardly tossed in as anything.
[20:36] <Orwell> This video would probably work a lot better to a Delfin song, where the lyrics are just as fucked up as the video.
[20:36] <Rathisponge> Ah ok.
[20:37] <MD> that was an interesting video
[20:37] <MD> o.O
[20:37] <Servo101010> Alright I'm back, could someone update me on what we're discussing now?
[20:37] <Rathisponge> I didnt quite understand the use of the title "pron" to describe the video, except that there were scenes of sexuality.
[20:37] <ngsilver> once the music picks up things seem to just get crazy, hectic, and random
[20:37] <PaperIsland> Akira Kurosawa said "A truly good movie is really enjoyable, too. There's nothing complicated about it. A truly good movie is interesting and easy to understand."
[20:37] <PaperIsland> I think this one only makes it half way... being somewhat interesting, but impossible to understand
[20:38] <polecat> I think "pron" because artist = Hollywood Pornstars
[20:38] <Servo101010> More or less, this video requiers the audience to be active watchers.
[20:38] <Rathisponge> Ah so a reference to the artist.
[20:38] <Orwell> The title is much as catching your attention as anything.
[20:38] <MD> I did not exactly understand the samurai though =|
[20:38] <Orwell> I'm sure a video titled Porn is going to catch your interest more than a video titled Discursive analysis
[20:38] <polecat> recap : he's a demon slayer, she's a demon
[20:39] <Rathisponge> very true hehe
[20:39] <Servo101010> To update you on the samurai MD, the story revolves around a demon hunter in love with a demon in a woman's body.
[20:39] <MD> Polecat: I thought so
[20:39] <Servo101010> Although, I do agree with everyone here when I say the title is a bit confusing.
[20:41] <PaperIsland> I wonder if text or something like that could have been used to bring us up to speed if we haven't seen the anime
[20:41] <Servo101010> More or less, this reviewer cant find anything meaningful with the title other than it's a missplelling of the word 'porn.'
[20:41] <PaperIsland> because watching it over again with that knowledge its somewhat understandable
[20:41] <godix> Servo101010: You're an alternate account for requiett aren't you?
[20:41] <Rathisponge> It does make more sense understanding the background of the anime Paperisland.
[20:42] <MD> "this reviewer"? are you talking about o.O
[20:42] <Orwell> Perhaps, I rather like text effects or just translations in my videos.
[20:42] <PaperIsland> But why make an AMV which is just a recap then... a confusing recap?
[20:42] <Servo101010> godix: sorry but somehow it doesn't suprise me when you say that.
[20:43] <MD> someone did the same thing to deathnote...a recap of the whole story
[20:43] <PaperIsland> I've seen it done to FLCL as well, by Tsukin
[20:43] <Servo101010> Hello Kionon, do think you'll be able to stay with us?
[20:43] <PaperIsland> and I was disappointed
[20:44] <Kionon> That depends highly on my connection.
[20:44] * ChanServ sets mode: +oa Kionon Kionon
[20:44] <PaperIsland> Is Quadir taking a non-involved approach to these reviews now? I haven't seen him type anything
[20:44] <Orwell> Hmmm, anyone have anything else they want to explore in the video, or should I post bonus?
[20:44] <Servo101010> BTW, what are we addressing right now?
[20:45] <Orwell> Quadir is off for family reaosns, or something like that
[20:45] <Orwell> He'll be back next week.
[20:45] <PaperIsland> Oh ok
[20:45] <ngsilver> after watching it over a few times I think i can understand what the basic plot of the video is... though it does seem to get extremely random at the end
[20:45] <polecat> canadian thankgiving is today
[20:45] <Orwell> Servo: Anything you want, the story/theme thing was just a suggestion for the beginning.
[20:46] * Nio|CS is now known as Nio|Zzz
[20:46] <Rathisponge> Overall I enjoyed the editing and pacing in the video the most , it seemed very well done.
[20:46] <Servo101010> Probably the only thing to address is does this video distinguish itself from other AMVs of its genre and mood?
[20:46] <godix> Discuss indepth the meaning of the fish at the start if you want
[20:46] <PaperIsland> I think it distinguishes itself in that there are not all that many videos with its genre and mood?
[20:47] <Orwell> Considering I haven't seen anything *quite* like it, though Kai has done a few things that remind me of this video.
[20:47] <Servo101010> Oh I disagree.
[20:47] <ngsilver> it is an interesting way to use sex in a video, I rarely see it done as tasteful as it is in here
[20:47] <polecat> some animals develop bright colors to warn others that they are poisonous, it's another danger/forbidden thing
[20:47] <Orwell> Kai Stromler that is.
[20:47] <Rathisponge> It was posted under multiple genres, but I would post it under drama and action, and for those genres it seemed quite unique.
[20:47] <Servo101010> Paper Island: There are many AMVs like this. Especially the Perfect Blue AMVs.
[20:48] <polecat> the genre is called "mind fuck"
[20:48] <G_Q> ... sorry for being late -_-;
[20:48] <Orwell> Servo: For the genre, and perhaps mood, but the style is certainly individualistic
[20:49] <PaperIsland> Yeah, I was thinking of Fade to Blue by ukms[z] when I saw it
[20:49] <Servo101010> How so Orwell?
[20:49] <ngsilver> though perhaps 2:45 is a little too graphic for local hosting...
[20:49] <MD> hmm
[20:49] <polecat> pimping yr site, silver ?
[20:49] <ngsilver> not nessisarily
[20:49] <PaperIsland> But I don't know about "many"
[20:50] <Orwell> Servo: Just the animation style mostly. It's rare you see something so... oddly animated. Look at most anime, it functions sanely, as where here the animation is something I'd describe as...
[20:50] <Orwell> whimsical, perhaps?
[20:50] <polecat> offbeat
[20:51] * MD is now known as MD_AFK
[20:51] <Servo101010> But the animation isn't created by Imarillion. It belongs to the original movie. This is entirely my perspective however.
[20:51] <PaperIsland> The relationship in the video is so hectic it's a little difficult to identify with the conflict
[20:51] <Orwell> Yes, I agree, but I'm saying the chosen animation is as much a editor choice as anything
[20:51] <Orwell> You could have chosen another anime
[20:51] <ngsilver> oddly, I like this video more the more times I loop it as I start picking up things that are there
[20:52] <PaperIsland> There's not a whole lot in this video to latch onto
[20:52] <PaperIsland> like if I was going to try and describe it or show it to someone who wasn't a fan of AMVs already, what would I even say?
[20:52] <Servo101010> I guess, but I tend to view things thru ideas, rather than thru source and music combinations. But I do understand where you're getting at.
[20:53] <Orwell> 'check out this fucked up mess I found'?
[20:53] <godix> servo: You should get involved with the vidding community. You'd fit in perfectly.
[20:53] <Orwell> Or just get to know Quadir better, he'd love you.
[20:54] <Servo101010> I'm confused godix. Are you being serious for once. I'm sorry I'm not familiar with the vidding community you're referring to.
[20:54] <godix> Oh I'm serious, you would fit in with them.
[20:54] <Servo101010> Could someone enlighten me?
[20:55] <Orwell> The livejournal based one right Godix?
[20:55] <Orwell> That'd be a org forum search, I don't know anything about it personally.
[20:55] <godix> Yeah. The LJ is pretentious enough.
[20:56] <Orwell> Anyways, to turn this back towards the video, anything have something else they want to go on, or is it final word time?
[20:56] <PaperIsland> Move on I think
[20:56] <godix> Man fucks demon. Demon tries to destory man. Man slices demon in half. End of story, next?
[20:56] <Servo101010> I know this is off topic for the review of 'Pron' but could someone PM me, (perhaps godix) enlighten me on this vidding community? Anyways back to the video.
[20:56] <MD_AFK> do you guys do one video a night? I have a suggestion o.o
[20:57] <Rathisponge> I am ready for the final word.
[20:57] <Orwell> A interesting video but the execution of the story was ppor.
[20:57] <godix> md: PM suggestions to Quadir.
[20:57] <Rathisponge> I found it to be quite interesting and very well edited.
[20:57] <Orwell> MD: Monday night we review one video and do a beta, thursday is beta review day, and you can discuss videos in here any time.
[20:57] <MD_AFK> oh ok
[20:57] <Greggus> video?
[20:57] <godix> We don't do a beta monday. We do a bonus.
[20:58] <polecat> I think the story is irrelevant, there's no real attempt at a coherent narrative, it's more a mood piece
[20:58] <godix> Greggus: Topic.
[20:58] <ngsilver> on a first glace I didn't care for the video, but it grew on me after multiple viewings. I wouldn't show it to many friends, a little too random and fucked up
[20:58] <Rathisponge> I also found it be to quite confusing as well though. Overall it was a good amv
[20:58] <Orwell> Ng: that's precisely why I'd show to anyone I could rope to my computer
<b>Random babbling about the bonus video</b>
[20:58] <Orwell> Alright, bonus time
[20:59] * Orwell changes topic to 'Lurk. Post. Discuss. http://a-m-v.org/video/150818'
[20:59] <Orwell> Video: Sami Juvala (FoxJones) - 2007 - Snap of Doom
[20:59] <Orwell> Link: http://www.a-m-v.org/video/147838
[20:59] <Orwell> Category: Other
[20:59] <Orwell> Anime: Utawarerumono
[20:59] <Orwell> Song: the Tiger Lillies - Crack of Doom
[20:59] <ngsilver> well, I wouldn't show to most of my friends, but the common attendee at a con wouldn't be able to understand it
[20:59] <godix> althoguh, really, we'll do betas anytime if we're paying attention
[20:59] <Servo101010> The goals for achieving a mood is definitely there. The theme is a little bit rough but up to many interrpretations by its audience. The visuals are many and hold many meanings, especially when combined with the music chosen. However, the overall isn't impressive. I can't say that I'm personally impacted by the vid.
[20:59] <Greggus> oh, this
[20:59] <Orwell> Yeah, beta thursday is just a day we're trying to gather everyone so those with beta's can get a wider audience.
[21:00] <Servo101010> By the way the last post was for the last vid. I'll now focus on the bonus.
[21:00] <Orwell> Servo: That's fine, Quadir will edit the log
[21:00] <Greggus> this video must have been edited by one fucked up person
[21:00] <Orwell> Fox while he was drunk.
[21:00] <godix> i think he meant Pron
[21:01] <Greggus> haha, yes I did
[21:01] <Orwell> Oh, well, both are rather fucked up IMO, though the former more so.
[21:01] * Retrieving #amv-review modes...
[21:01] <godix> is he molesting that doll?
[21:01] <Orwell> Watch the whole thing first
[21:01] <ngsilver> drunken amv editing eh?
[21:01] <Servo101010> Reading description for bonus video now.
[21:02] <Greggus> bonus video link?
[21:02] <Greggus> or is that pron?
[21:02] <Orwell> Topic
[21:02] <Orwell> http://a-m-v.org/video/150818
[21:02] <Greggus> ok, cool
[21:02] <Greggus> so
[21:02] <polecat> that's pron
[21:02] <Orwell> oh
[21:02] <Orwell> fail
[21:02] <Orwell> so much fail
[21:02] <polecat> bonus is http://www.a-m-v.org/video/147838
[21:02] <Orwell> stupid copy pasta
[21:03] * Orwell changes topic to 'Lurk. Post. Discuss. http://www.a-m-v.org/video/147838'
[21:03] <Orwell> Fixed.
[21:03] <Greggus> basically, there is no hope in this video whatsoever
[21:03] <Rathisponge> hehe the bonus video is quite silly.
[21:03] <Greggus> it's so one-sided that it should be ridiculous
[21:04] <ngsilver> hahah, I like the bonus. quite fun. random acts of violence is awesome
[21:04] <Greggus> but somehow, I couldn't help but take it seriously
[21:04] <Greggus> so I dunno
[21:04] <Orwell> Godix: actually, I think your right, I mean, why look up it's... whatever that is. Outfit.
[21:04] <godix> Orwell: Exactly. He started off molesting the doll and ended up breaking it. His 'hands' were just too big and clumsy for a delicate little thing like that
[21:05] <Orwell> Quick, make a Oto joke.
[21:05] <polecat> HUGE SEXUAL METAPHOR
[21:05] <godix> I didn't realize Oto was well endowed therefore appropriate for a joke here...
[21:05] <godix> Orwell: Are you telling me you know Oto's dick size?
[21:05] <Orwell> Nah, just tall
[21:06] <Orwell> wait
[21:06] <Orwell> That came out wrong
[21:06] <godix> heh
[21:06] <godix> Orwell: if you look carefully when he starts playing with the doll. He's rubbing the dolls pussy with his pinky.
[21:07] <Orwell> would this be a bad time to commment on how my 'allergies' are acting up and my throat is raw and is packed with mucus?
[21:07] <Greggus> wow
[21:07] <polecat> and at the start of the vid, she is masturbating.
[21:07] <godix> True. She is. I missed that somehow.
[21:07] <Rathisponge> Thank you very much for hosting this review Orwell.
[21:08] <Orwell> I'm sure Quadir would have suckered in somebody else if not me
[21:08] <quadir> Yeah, thanks mucho Orwell
[21:08] <Rathisponge> Good night ladies and gentlemen, sweet dreams
[21:08] <Servo101010> Are you guys still discussing the bonus vid?
[21:09] <quadir> what was the main vid?
[21:09] <Orwell> Pron
[21:09] <quadir> I just got in
[21:09] <quadir> cool
[21:09] <Orwell> http://www.a-m-v.org/video/150818
[21:09] <polecat> happy thanksgiving, q
[21:09] <Orwell> I thought about the others suggested, but I figured this would make for at least a different review.
[21:10] <Servo101010> Hey quadir, where've you been?
[21:10] <quadir> I had other commitments unfortunatly tonight
[21:10] <Servo101010> Don't we all.
[21:10] <quadir> but told some people about the review so I was here in spirit
[21:10] <quadir> well, I had done the review every monday ontime and without fail for 6 months
[21:11] <quadir> 1 week isn't gona kill me, I'll be back full force next week
[21:11] <godix> "You guys suck. I COULD be doing my amv review but noooo, I'm stuck with you fuckers."
[21:11] <quadir> basicly what I said yeah godix
[21:11] <quadir> wow bonus breaks the 4rth wall right off the bat
[21:11] <quadir> pet peeve of mine
[21:13] <godix> So you'd get ticked if I made a video going 'Hey quadir, here's your fucking fourth wall' then the shatter effect
[21:14] <Servo101010> BTW, just watched the bonus. Thought it was funny. But...
[21:14] <Servo101010> WTF!!!
[21:15] <ngsilver> drunken AMVs are the best kind
[21:15] <quadir> godix: I liked EK's vid
[21:16] * MD_AFK is now known as MD
[21:16] <quadir> godix: so it's not like I let it get in the way
[21:16] <quadir> just too often it's done for no real reason but to whine/excuse out of valid criticism
[21:16] <godix> she didn't really break the 4th wall so much as she went all meta on it
[21:16] <Servo101010> So...are we discussing this video seriously? Or are we just throwing crap around?
[21:16] <quadir> Servo101010: bonus talk can be all over the place
[21:18] <Servo101010> Oh. Well in that case. This video made me laugh because it was WTF.
[21:19] <PaperIsland> I liked it better than the main video... because I had something to latch onto and understand, even if it was simple
[21:20] <quadir> oh wow the bonus was really nice
[21:20] <quadir> great pick
[21:20] <quadir> the opening text was completely unnecesary
[21:20] <Servo101010> However, I do like the fact that even though this video was WTF, a story was established throughout the video, characters were present, and a theme of obsessiveness was conveyed thru the girl's manic behaviour.
[21:21] <godix> I like that it was all about sex. Thinly veiled.
[21:21] <Servo101010> Sex? Oh wait a minute I've got to watch the video again to get your point godix.
[21:22] <godix> It starts off with her, all alone, lovingly polishing her toy. Then someone walks in and she gets all embaressed and runs out of the room. The guy starts taking the toy and repeatly trying to play with it. But in his oh so strong way he destroys it. In the end she mounts a man and has her way with him.
[21:22] <godix> It's all about the fuckin
[21:23] <Servo101010> okay...I can tell godix's mind is something I have to get used to.
[21:23] <quadir> clearly
[21:23] <godix> almost every video is about sex if you view it the right way
[21:23] <polecat> no, she was totally masturbating at the start.
[21:24] <ngsilver> perhaps this video is too graphic for local as well
[21:24] <PaperIsland> Or maybe it's not about sex and it's just that sex and breaking toys both point to anxieties involving human contact
[21:24] <godix> Nah, the guy just wanted a little head....
[21:24] <PaperIsland> Although, the sex is a lot easier to see on this week's video then a lot of the other ones I will admit...
[21:25] <Servo101010> godix: "a little head"? ewww... but hahahaha
[21:25] <quadir> groan
[21:26] <PaperIsland> I wouldn't say ewww. She's pretty cute.
[21:26] * Nio|Zzz is now known as MollyRubbingHerJunkOnGlassWhil
[21:26] <quadir> and here I was thinking there was going to be a bonus discussion worth posting
[21:26] <Servo101010> I can definitely see how 'Pron' affects our moad of thinking.
[21:26] * MollyRubbingHerJunkOnGlassWhil is now known as MollyRubbingJunkOnGlass|NioZzz
[21:26] <godix> Go ahead and post it.
[21:26] <Kionon> Okay, at this point it's like not even worth it to get the video -_-;;;
[21:26] <quadir> I said WORTH posting
[21:26] <quadir> Kionon: do
[21:26] <PaperIsland> I think the sex connection is defensible... I just don't think its the only reading
[21:26] <Kionon> I'm waiting.
[21:26] <quadir> and great of you to join us
[21:27] <Kionon> I've been here all night, just useless.
[21:27] <quadir> bummage
[21:27] <godix> Kionon: That's the most accurate self assessment I've ever heard
[21:27] <Orwell> Kionon: Had I known you were gonna have such problems getting it from the org I would have sent it to you early so you could have participated.
[21:28] <Servo101010> How about this: We come up with a discussion on how we can view AMVs as sexual. "Skittles," totally sexual. "Euphoria?" no wonder the song's about dreaming. Koop is such a pevert.
Somewhere around here we started talking about how all videos are about sex instead of this specific one so I'll just cut it off here.
