Yet another AMV nub...

Pas · Post by **Pas** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 5:13 am

Yep, that's me, just another AMV maker, hoping to beat Koop and claim super stardom from his superior editing skills (as if that will ever happen)

Anyway, I already know that I am nowhere near the level some of you are at, so instead of being a total douchbag and screwing up my first release at the org, I'd much rather prefer to ask for some advice before I do.

I'm already pretty familiar with Premiere Pro 2.0 (as i started video editing a while ago) but I still do not know how to do many of the effects you impose on your AMVs. I suppose that's what the tutorials are for, so I won't be asking about that.

I hear all about masking and rotoscoping. Masking is easy enough, but rotoscoping is where I'm a little bit confused. Right now, the only was I can see it being done is frame by frame through photoshop (my current method), but It's a little but tedious considering I have to make a screen dump every frame, drag and crop in photoshop before cleaning it up. Is there a better way?

Also, for effects, I heard many of you use aftereffects. My friend has it, but I'm not too sure what it does (though I guess it does as it's name implies)

One of the major obsticles right now for me is motion. I have not really learned how to move objects in Premiere because I have never needed to, but after watching it's effectivness in AMVs like Koop's Euphoria and ScorpionP's Keep The Beat Up! I decided to try. Should I be reading the premiere tutorials for this?

I think lastly, and most importantly, is my problem with motivation. I am a perfectionist by nature, and because I've seen so many good AMVs released by you guys, I find it hard to ever consider releasing an AMV that's not as good. To date, I've worked on 12 AMVs without finishing a single one. I've now decided to delete every single one apart from one, which I'm working on at the moment. I know AMVs take a long time, and I'm prepared to give up that time to make it, but how do you guys stay focused on making an AMV?

As a final message, I'm really sorry if you read through all that thinking "what a dumbass" because, as the name implies, I'm pretty much a nub at this.

Rapture** · Post by Rapture** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 5:27 am

From what I understood,you want some tips on certain effects and certain editing parts,right?

Not that I'm skilled enough to give any advices,but I think that all this kind of things you should learn by yourself..

Bauzi · Post by **Bauzi** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 5:36 am

Also, for effects, I heard many of you use aftereffects. My friend has it, but I'm not too sure what it does (though I guess it does as it's name implies)

AfterEffects is a lot.
Motion, effects, masking, design (if you ask me). It´s like Photoshop for videos.

One of the major obsticles right now for me is motion. I have not really learned how to move objects in Premiere because I have never needed to, but after watching it's effectivness in AMVs like Koop's Euphoria and ScorpionP's Keep The Beat Up! I decided to try. Should I be reading the premiere tutorials for this?

Reading a tutorial like this one:
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/guides/avtechbeta/
is never wrong. Motion is easy. You have to activate the keyframes for the position settings and well... move it. Uhm... yeah how do I explain keyframes now? I guess a Premiere tut can tell you what you need:
http://www.video-tutes.com/packages/Premiere.php
(looks good).

Masking is easy enough, but rotoscoping is where I'm a little bit confused.

Rotoscoping is easy, but you have to invest some time:
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/guides/PenToolGuide.pdf
(77.8MB PDF with example animations). You can combine this guide with After Effects really good. Premiere has no pen tool.

As a final message, I'm really sorry if you read through all that thinking "what a dumbass" because, as the name implies, I'm pretty much a nub at this.

I think it was a nice introductionthread, but yeah it´s not allowed. You might want to look at the forum rules too.

Pas · Post by **Pas** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 5:49 am

Ahh looks like I've already made a royal screw up >_>

Thanks for the advice Bauzi, I had previously checked out http://www.animemusicvideos.org/guides/avtechbeta/ but did not think to scroll down. I'm pretty familiar with keyframes, compression etc. Will check out the rest of it now.

The rotoscoping guide may take awhile to download on dial up, but thanks for the link.

Once again, sorry for the rudeness. I did read the forum rules etc when I first signed up, and didn't really think of this as an introduction thread. I'll be sure to do a lot more reading before making my next thread

godix · Post by **godix** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 6:25 am

Pas1990 wrote:I hear all about masking and rotoscoping. Masking is easy enough, but rotoscoping is where I'm a little bit confused. Right now, the only was I can see it being done is frame by frame through photoshop (my current method), but It's a little but tedious considering I have to make a screen dump every frame, drag and crop in photoshop before cleaning it up. Is there a better way?

Either export from premiere as a series of bitmaps or filmstrip and do it in photoshop or you can use AE. Either way is a lot of work. Personally I export & photoshop because that doesn't require me bothering to learn AE.

Also, for effects, I heard many of you use aftereffects. My friend has it, but I'm not too sure what it does (though I guess it does as it's name implies)

The way it's designed Premiere is for putting your clips in the right order and getting the timing of them right. AE is for adding effects afterward. Although if you really learn Premiere you can do a shitload of effects work in it. 3d manipulations and shatter are really the only thing I haven't found a good way of doing in Premiere and even then I could half ass it.

One of the major obsticles right now for me is motion. I have not really learned how to move objects in Premiere because I have never needed to, but after watching it's effectivness in AMVs like Koop's Euphoria and ScorpionP's Keep The Beat Up! I decided to try. Should I be reading the premiere tutorials for this?

Check the help file for keyframing and the transform filter. You can use motion settings instead but I find transform filter gives a lot more control.

I know AMVs take a long time, and I'm prepared to give up that time to make it, but how do you guys stay focused on making an AMV?

Boredom.

Pas · Post by **Pas** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 6:46 am

Thanks for the feedback godix.

Currently I'm doing all my effects through either the default premiere list, or going into photoshop and making my own.

Still, I think getting after effects off my friend would be the better choice. Even if i have to learn how to use it, in the long run, i presume it would benifit me a great deal.

As for your answer for motivation issues, i guess i'll have it sorted in the holidays. I'll make sure to not have anything planned, so I can sit home all day until I start working on my AMV.

Bauzi · Post by **Bauzi** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 7:08 am

I guess AE will give a perfectionist a lot of fun. The possibilities are just awesome.

I know AMVs take a long time, and I'm prepared to give up that time to make it, but how do you guys stay focused on making an AMV?

Mhmm... When you see the effort you put in, you won´t throw the project away and finish it. Contest helplines are a great help.

Pas · Post by **Pas** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 7:22 am

Yeah, that's the plan. And I also tend to stay more focued on something when I have competition, so both me and my friend are entering into it. I'm not sure how good New Zealand AMV creators are, so every spare moment I have I'm adding more and more to it.

Just another random question, but I read that beta testing can be bad in the sense that it detracts you from your original idea, and becomes other people's opinions of what your AMV should be like. Even so, I want to get some proper feedback before I send it into the competition. Should I just release it, listen to the feedback and remaster it? Or put it on opinion exchange for a while?

Kevmaster · Post by **Kevmaster** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 7:35 am

Pas1990 wrote:Yeah, that's the plan. And I also tend to stay more focued on something when I have competition, so both me and my friend are entering into it. I'm not sure how good New Zealand AMV creators are, so every spare moment I have I'm adding more and more to it.

Just another random question, but I read that beta testing can be bad in the sense that it detracts you from your original idea, and becomes other people's opinions of what your AMV should be like. Even so, I want to get some proper feedback before I send it into the competition. Should I just release it, listen to the feedback and remaster it? Or put it on opinion exchange for a while?

I like to hear Suggestions from other People about my Video while I'm editing, especially on parts I dislike or I'm not sure about, listen to what your beta tasters have to say and then try it out, if you like it, then thats good, if not..then remove it again, don't just do stuff because beta testers tell you to. Edit your Video to YOUR linking, not just to your beta testers liking.

JaddziaDax · Post by **JaddziaDax** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:58 am

since youre such a kewphile you should know he doesn't use AE

Euphoria was made with Magix and MS Paint
Skittles was made with Magix, Photoshop and Particle Illusion

O.o

also if youre wanting to "compete with kewp" don't just over filter your videos with massive effects right away, learn the basics and learn to do simple videos first.

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