AMV top 10% - rules

[ErMaC]

...Or why not leave a review that's all 1's to f@#$ with them?

[Ashton]

When it comes down to it, if you're taking the numbers so seriously, you're taking an awful lot of fun out of the hobby you're supposed to enjoy. Numbers are numbers; they don't mean anything else, really. They're only meant to be a guide, not the final word.

But maybe it IS the point. I'm certainly not saying it's my reason for being here, but who are you to say that it's not fun to play the numbers. Even if I'm here on a personal mission to fullfill my artistic urges or any such BS I still have fun know that my video might rank (in numbers at least) better than any given well known video/creator.
That said, I would also like to address the issue of the thread. It really is a problem with the system itself, there is no acountability for the scores given at all, especially because it's on the 'net where there isn't any accountability anyway. There are other problems, aside from the exorbitant score loophole, and the biggest of which (IMHO) is the global average. What kind of system is it where the average video score is above a 7. This is supposed to be a system based on five as the average. So what the hell can we do? Go around and give horrible scores to everyone? I don't have the heart for that, so I always give the same BS scores based on 7.5 being the "average video score" because I don't want to crush the poor person.
Another problem we fun into is the fact that people only really feel like reviewing better videos. They don't really feel like spending the time to give serious thought to a video that was midiocre. This also effects the global average as mentioned above.
The only solution for all these problems that I can see is some form of compulsory voting. I think if we did that, and alowed people to review without leaving coments there wouldn't be such a problem. Mind, this would only solve the problem with the scores, wheras it might worsen the "actual reviews" shortage at the site.

I don't know, I don't have the answers, I just have ideas that everyone rejects anyway!

[Rozard]

...Or why not leave a review that's all 1's to f@#$ with them?

Because it's soooo cruel!

[The Wired Knight]

I honestly have no problem with them being up there with a low review count because being up there gets people more reviews that they need. Most of my reviews come from friends because I can't get my videos online in any way shape or form. I think as long as you say you have roughly five reviews you should be fine being up there. and if those five are five random friends who you asked to get you up there...I think such credibility would be easily recognizable upon reading the actual review.

[Nappy]

There are other problems, aside from the exorbitant score loophole, and the biggest of which (IMHO) is the global average. What kind of system is it where the average video score is above a 7. This is supposed to be a system based on five as the average. So what the hell can we do? Go around and give horrible scores to everyone? I don't have the heart for that, so I always give the same BS scores based on 7.5 being the "average video score" because I don't want to crush the poor person.

well I think we are going on a C=75%=7.5 score=average hehe a 5 average would a be a F average :P

but, I think alot of ppl don't like to review bad videos because they don't want to give them a low score, and perhaps expect a possible revenge review. Althought this is the internet so ppl can be mean behind the safety of their screens >:P

[FirestormXIII]

Heh, I just recently changed my rating system for reviews so that 5 is average.
Poor Wuwu, he was the first victim... :O

[UncleMilo]

The Top 10% is not some holy text passed down from on high.

First off... I've seen REAL VIDEOS placed on the list (such as ON YOUR MARK)... and for anyone to believe that the On Your Mark AMV is second fiddle to ANY AMV ON THIS BOARD needs to be slapped for 24 hours with herring... for starters.


Secondly, I have seen people do exactly what you have said... they make a POS AMV and then have friends give it all 10s and suddenly BANG! It's on the top 10. Now... I'm so happy for them as they sit at their monitors with massive hard ons because they think their position on that top 10 means ANYTHING... but most right-thinking people know that this stuff happens and should just deal.

And again... as ERMAC pointed out... some ass will come along and give your AMV a crappy review because they don't like you... or because your AMV scored higher than theirs... or because they are stupid...

I don't claim to be a master of AMV creations, but I have been hit with some ridiculous reviews. I got one guy who took revenge on me because I didn't just praise his AMV to the heavens (and my review was far from derogatory) and then I got one review from someone who I SWEAR must not have seen my AMV because none of his comments made sense... I can only assume he wanted to lower the score on my AMV or he had run out of smack and was just going ape-sh*t all over the boards.


The Top 10% is mostly meaningless. You can't demand rules on something that is so arbitrary. Obviously, good AMVs are able to hold spots there... but anyone who thinks that the top 10 really represents anything is in for a reality check of the 4th order.



OK... and let's look at those votes. People seem to have very different views on what that 1-10 scale means.

I saw someone post how they gave this AMV 6s because it was "OK" but not great.

However, I consider 6 to be a "poor" rating and 7 as "average"

So even the numbers have different meaning to people.


Let's face it...

the creation of AMVs is art and I believe most people get frustrated with art because it can't be graded on a chart (which confounds all these computer guys who think they can program a computer to create art)

Art is not mathematical

Some art is good and some is bad...
One piece will wow one person and repel another...

One person will see a piece of art and say it looks like it was done by a 3rd grader while another will see it and gasp in awe at the complexity.

Art is frustrating to me because I have a hard time explaining it to people who think it needs to be graphed and quantified so everyone can know what is good art and what is bad art.

I mean... some kid watches a Linkin Park DBZ AMV and thinks its the greatest thing he's ever seen. It inspires him to make AMVs...

Does that make the AMV a great piece of art?
Well... it does to that kid.

Everyone else hates the same vid.
Does that make the AMV a piece of crap?

Not to that one kid who was inspired
and not to that one kid who made it.

I hope ERMAC doesn't mind me bringing him into this example... but say ERMAC says the DBZ AMV is crap...

most people will take ERMAC's word over the kid's... why? because ERMAC has displayed that he has more knowledge of the artform of AMVs and so his word has more weight.

Therefore, people in the AMV community will agree that the DBZ AMV is not a very strong piece as far as AMVs go...

but that doesn't mean the kid is wrong. It inspired him and it really got him... so he will see it as great art and his view is valid in the realm of his own life...

however... individual view and community view are not the same thing... and sometimes individual view is more important than the community view...


Well... I'm rambling... but maybe I got my point across.

-Uncle Milo

[trythil]

Art is not mathematical

[pedantic mode = on]

Correction. Art can be mathematical in nature.

A few examples:

Visual: Joseph Pollack's drip-paintings have been shown to be fractal in nature, which may explain why they have been regarded so highly. Helaman Ferguson's sculptures are physical embodiments of mathematical relationships. M.C. Escher -- well, that's obvious. Benoit Mandelbrot, if you consider fractals things of beauty.

Music is mathematics.

Pleasant smells can be quantiatively described in terms of molecular reactions using mathematics. Same goes for taste: mathematically mapping the path, magnitude, and location of "pleasant" taste stimuli.

Mathematically determining the quality of art is a different story. For now.

[pedantic mode = off]

[Ashton]

Oh! Now I get it! And all this time I had been creating my AMV on the computer, when I should have been making them in an oven so that they could be more mathematicly pleaseing! Hold on, I'm going to go add some oregano and basil to to an old video of mine; I SMELL A REMASTERED EDITION COMING!
No, but seriously, that was pretty cool, I've got to hand it Trythil, you handed UncleMilo his ass on that one. But I still think you missed UM's point(pedantic to the point of being anal regarding word usage!), which I agree with wholy. The point is that this is an opinion based thing, and that it all can't be nailed down to numbers anyway. I'm sure you know what he really meant.
But I do have to disagree with you on something UM, I think that to say that there is no common thread on enjoyable AMV is incorrect. That's the whole idea of providing numbers with the reviews. But I do think there is an idea there. Maybe it's the numbers themselves that are causing the stress on the system. What if all the numbers were removed. I mean ALL of them; we could even remove the post counter which has succesfully driven the forum into the ground and brought the morality and decency of it's users with it.
Food for thought...

[Sub0]

well I think we are going on a C=75%=7.5 score=average hehe a 5 average would a be a F average

correct in a competitive market one must stay above average making the average product above average therefor the average would be redefined to a bit above the mid-line.
School=teh competitive
AMVs=teh it's up to you so it really doesn't matter, reviews are just there for fun, unless you want to make it competitive than... well... Idunno what I'm saying but it did make sense at first!