Timeline Editing Style / Results

NS · Post by NS » Mon Aug 13, 2007 1:20 am

I listen to a song about 10 times through... First 4 times I don't really pay attention.. but I still pick up on stuff. Then, After a while an AMV will start forming in my head.. and I'll start laying clips down on whatever part of the song it correlates to. Then as I do that, more idea begin to form, and I kinda just roll with it.

but yah. On mine there is a lot of blank spaces here and there.

JaddziaDax · Post by **JaddziaDax** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 1:33 am

i listen to the song while i clip harvest @_@

godix · Post by **godix** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 3:53 am

Quickly, quality amvs should be edited quickly. You can't just dwell on it and taking forever, you'll never get done that way. You gotta be quick. QUICK QUICK QUICK. The best way to be quick is use scripts, that way you don't have to scan around for footage and go back and do it again. So all else being equal use scripts. There ya go, quick, quality results.

And that makes 10 q's.

Bauzi · Post by **Bauzi** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 4:12 am

I use Premiere Pro 1.5 for basic editing. The good advantage about Adobe stuff is that you can have more sequences ("more projects in one project") in one project file.

So what I do is using more sequences for one project (with DVD avs):
-Mainpart
Fitting clips together to the audio
-Clips
A storage for ready clips
-Trimmer
That´s right. I use a sequence for trimming and harvesting the clips out of the source. It gives me more advantages than the usual trimmer tool. If I... have only one movie as source I leave the movie there. If I edit with for example a series, the source in this sequence changes. That´s why I have a clip storage sequence too.
-Effectclips
Sometimes it is better to do some complexe stuff in sequences and than you use them in the Mainpart sequ.
-Credits/Intro
-Finalmix
That´s were I put the whole sequences together.

When I was working on Deus Machina this sequence model was pure gold. Each segment was one sequ. It´s one of the major reasons too why I don´t use Vegas.
This method is improveing with every new project xD

In thermes of editing... I edit different parts of the songs until the stuff is one piece and I often render out clips to make effects in After Effects while I do this.

Usualy I watch an anime, hear a cool song, think about how it could fit and to wich other anime it may fit, thinking about the style, plan a bit more, prepare footage with ripping dvds and writing the avs, editing.

Emong · Post by **Emong** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 9:35 am

Well, I'll plan the clip-selection before the actual editing process. So, I don't have to make that much clips. Plus, the video will turn out better that way, imo.

DriftRoot · Post by **DriftRoot** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:14 am

I find it impossible to make an AMV unless I have a really clear vision of how I want a certain scene to look. Usually I'll start there and build outwards, doing what I'm most confident in first. That way I see where the highlights are and how I can best support them elsewhere. Occasionally I'll have to go back in and mess around with an early segment based on what the rest of the AMV now looks like, but that's usually a pretty minimal tweak. This method also ensures I use footage in what I think is THE best place first.

When I try to edit from start to finish, it's usually because I only have a vague notion of what I want and am relying more on the song to tell me what to do, not the footage at hand. This is a big red flag that I probably won't get through the project...

JCD · Post by **JCD** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 12:06 pm

I always chunk up the DVDs in seperate episodes while ripping so I have one .vob per episode. If the video I'm planning is effects intensive, I make clips out of the avs scripts I write and sort them in folders for each episode, always writing a timecode and keyword in the filename of each clip, always using a joblist in VirtualDub. I always save the joblist in case I mess something up, this way I can recreate the clips very quickly.
If it's not effects intensive, I go with bait&switch avs / mjpeg.

I always edit linearry, from start to finish of the song. I'm afraid that if I don't, I might have no motivation anymore to do the parts I skipped

. I do however skip little sections I can't seem to get right at the moment and leave them for the end, having some kind of "layout" clips placed there to give me a hint lateron when I finished the timeline. That, and I always want to have a complete view of the video when I'm done with the song. It keeps me from getting frustrated with a little part.
After that, I note down everything I don't like yet, including the skipped sections explained above, and try to fix them as good as possible. Gives me a MUCH more statisfying view of the video.

The Project timeline usually only consists of the raw video. I add up things like credits and black bumpers for cons with Avisynth. Spares me diskspace because I only need to have one uncompressed export then.
Also, EVERYTHING including rips, masks etc. is in one project direcotry with strictly ordered subdirectories. I also usually archive everything except the source .vob files and / or clips. Without those it's just a few Gigs and fits on a DVD most of the time

About the ideas themselves... each video propably had a different way of getting them

Keeper of Hellfire · Post by **Keeper of Hellfire** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 3:31 pm

I never use switch and bait, it's too annoying slow.

My usual way of making clips is very similar to JCD. Make every episode a .vob, use joblist for creating clips, save joblist. Saving the joblist is not only good in case something messes up, I can recreate the clips as long as the project isn't released with an improved script or a different codec. I give them a name with episode number, an ordering number and a brief description what's going on.

Since I have an idea which clips to use in which parts of the AMV the editing is mostly linear. But sometimes I fill important spots first, for my latest project I did start with the final clip. I place and trim all clips first, watch it several times and replace some clips, change some edits before I start to use effects.

And I have only the raw AMV at the timeline. Credits and so on are their own projects, and I put together what's necessary with AVISynth for the same reason like JCD - I need only one lossless master.

Nessephanie · Post by **Nessephanie** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 3:50 pm

I bait and swtich, and then I subclip in premiere.
I prefer to edit from start to finish, but if I have absolutely no idea how to do a part, I may skip ahead, I dun really like to though.

Kalium · Post by **Kalium** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:16 pm

I rip and then pass everything through AVS. I use a Magix feature to clip things, and then wing it from there.