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Post by Rapture** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:09 pm

So I've got this problem...


Yesterday I finished segmenting of my footage for my next vid,and now I have this little problem - PC plays back my rendered footage too slowly,and that affects my editing,it's very hard to sync up! My clips are in Lagarith codec .avi format files.

I tried rendering a little clip with different codecs to check out if it's just my pc is too slow.. So here are statistics of my check versions :

Version 1 - Uncompressed RGB :

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Video Steam :
File - L:\Intro Theme.avi
Size - 731 MB (748,758 KB / 766,728,192 bytes)
Lenght - 0:36.670
Frames  - 1,099
Kbps - 165722
Pics/s - 29.970
Frames/s - 29.970
Resolution - 640 x 360
sar - 1.778 (16:9)
par - 1.000 (1:1)
dar - 1.778 (16:9)
Audio Steam :
Codec - PCM Audio
Stats - 48000Hz  1536 kb/s tot (2 chnls)
Version 2 - Huffyuv v2.1.1 :

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Video Steam :
File - L:\Intro Theme(Huffy).avi
Size - 528 MB (541,122 KB / 554,108,928 bytes)
Lenght - 0:36.670
Frames  - 1,099
Kbps - 119336
Pics/s - 29.970
Frames/s - 29.970
Resolution - 640 x 360
sar - 1.778 (16:9)
par - 1.000 (1:1)
dar - 1.778 (16:9)
Audio Steam :
Codec - PCM Audio
Stats - 48000Hz  1536 kb/s tot (2 chnls)
Version 3 - Lagaright Lossless Codec :

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Video Steam :
File - L:\Intro Theme(Lag).avi
Size - 237 MB (242,744 KB / 248,569,856 bytes)
Lenght - 0:36.670
Frames  - 1,099
Kbps - 52679
Pics/s - 29.970
Frames/s - 29.970
Resolution - 640 x 360
sar - 1.778 (16:9)
par - 1.000 (1:1)
dar - 1.778 (16:9)
Audio Steam :
Codec - PCM Audio
Stats - 48000Hz  1536 kb/s tot (2 chnls)
Version 4 - XviD 1.1.2 Final

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Video Steam :
File - L:\Intro Theme(XviD).avi
Size - 9.72 MB (9,958 KB / 10,196,992 bytes)
Lenght - 0:36.670
Frames  - 1,099
Kbps - 2397
Pics/s - 29.970
Frames/s - 29.970
Resolution - 640 x 360
sar - 1.778 (16:9)
par - 1.000 (1:1)
dar - 1.778 (16:9)
Audio Steam :
Codec - PCM Audio
Stats - 48000Hz  1536 kb/s tot (2 chnls)
My main system statistics :

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AMD Athlon 3200+
768 MB of RAM DDR
80 GB Internal Hitachi HDD + 160 GB Internal Hitachi HDD
Nvidia GeForce 6600GT
I guess that's enough of my pc.

Now,my problem is with playback of those video files - Version 1,2 and 4 plays perfectly,but Version 3 (Lagarith) - plays too slowly. Huffy,is higher kbps,and much bigger file (~2x),so I thought it would give me more problems than Lagarith. If anyone knows how to solve this,that is to make Lagarith play back normally,just as every other version,I would very appreciate that.
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Post by taifunbrowser » Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:11 pm

I was under the impression lagarith

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Post by Shazzy » Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:14 pm

Playback performance in Premiere Pro (my target application):

Raw: Plays realtime (barely — the data rate is 30MB/s)

HuffYUV: Plays realtime.

Lagarith: Plays slowly (non-realtime).

MUS: Crashed Premiere Pro :-( Played slowly (non-realtime) in VirtualDub.
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Post by Rapture** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:29 pm

So I guess there is no way out of this situation?.. :?
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Re: Lossless Stuff

Post by Shazzy » Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:39 pm

Rapture** wrote: if it's just my pc is too slow..
Yep..
For me, Lagarith tends to encode at about half the speed Huffyuv does. Additionally, the decode speed is slower than the encode speed; this is due to the nature of Arithmetic compression and the prediction algorithm.
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Post by Rapture** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:53 pm

Damn :|
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Post by ffxdean » Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:13 pm

whats is your Processors speed (in GHz or MHz).

I have a similar computer than yours (although alot worse: AMD 2400+ Athlon XP 2.0Ghz, 192MB RAM, GeForce4 64mb Integrated Graphics, 200GB Hard Drive 7200RPM

I tried using Lagarith and Huffman. I never had any playback issues.

unless you have background programs? for example having Adobe premiure along with windows media player playing 3GB of a 5min video will cause those symtoms you are having.

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Post by Zarxrax » Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:17 pm

Is it that your previews in premiere are slow? Just use a faster preview codec.

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Post by Rapture** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:22 pm

I'm using Vegas 5.0 >.>



My Processor speed is : AMD 3200+ (those 3200 are just for show,since system information says that my pc is only 2500 GHz) 7200 RPM
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Post by Rapture** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:24 pm

Damn that edit button,never there when I need it! :x

Anyway,it's not just in Vegas,playback is same even in VLC,MPC and Media Player itself.. :?
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