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Post by GloryQuestor » Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:49 pm

While I did notice a few spots where the key synch was off, I weighted its artistic merit much higher. I could see where the girl moved her hands but didn't press keys--most pianists will do that to keep their hands moving and set up the next chords and notes--so it is an element of the action sync, not a detraction from it.

Overall, I really enjoyed the video. It's lighthearted and does tell a pretty good story.

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Post by Kionon » Sat Jul 07, 2007 8:19 pm

omegaevolution wrote:O___O ok I liked the idea, but those piano keys where very off IMO, I mean in the slow parts the girl was doing them too fast and in the faster parts she was doing them too slow O.o, other than that I liked what you wanted to do but yeah the off synch of the piano keys was too distracting :(

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Your claim that the piano keys were so far off that the slow parts were too fast and the faster parts were too slow, combined with previous commentary, made me go back and watch the video several times, very, very closely. I discovered (to my horror, let me assure you, considering the asshattery premiere made me go through to get speed and duration effects to render correctly) that there are indeed two key presses without accompanying notes. These are at 00:17 and 02:00.

Every other movement is part of a chord progression, that is, while the first sound you may hear as part of a group of notes is the strongest, there are other added notes under it, and those deserve to by synced as well, even if the first note is not yet completed, and all notes complete together. Add onto the fact, as I said earlier, and Glory Questor explained, a pianist's hands do not cease moving just because they are not pressing a key (also add onto the fact, if we want to get really technical there are means to accentuate or stop a note where the sound will not appear to sync up even if you're staring at the pianist in real life.... but I did not try to sync that, obviously).

A further note on time and tempo. You say that when the tempo speeds up, Nodame moves too slow and when the tempo slows down, she moves too fast. Upon four reviews of my video just to see what you may have seen to suggest this... I can't. I even happen to know where I altered the speed of clips using AssumeFPS() in avisynth in order to make sure chord progressions were in tempo. If you were going simply by the number of keys being pressed or the number of fingers flying, again it has to do with the number of notes in a phrase, and not just how quickly or slowly the pianist seems to be moving.

My attempt here is not to claim that your enjoyment of the video is in any way a judgment I have some control over. Or that your claim that I didn't match your concept of "sync" is "wrong." You didn't see what you were looking for: ie, one beat/one action. That isn't what I was doing, and so you won't find it in this video. And although I suppose I should expect claims I "protesteth too much" or am "whining" because people don't like my concept of sync, my intent is not merely to defend myself either, but rather to help illustrate the particular sync needs of these unique sources.
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Post by Niwa » Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:57 pm

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Post by omegaevolution » Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:58 pm

Kionon wrote: If you were going simply by the number of keys being pressed or the number of fingers flying, again it has to do with the number of notes in a phrase, and not just how quickly or slowly the pianist seems to be moving.

My attempt here is not to claim that your enjoyment of the video is in any way a judgment I have some control over. Or that your claim that I didn't match your concept of "sync" is "wrong." You didn't see what you were looking for: ie, one beat/one action. That isn't what I was doing, and so you won't find it in this video. And although I suppose I should expect claims I "protesteth too much" or am "whining" because people don't like my concept of sync, my intent is not merely to defend myself either, but rather to help illustrate the particular sync needs of these unique sources.
well you are right that everyone has their ways to synch and understands(and sees) synch in different ways. Also you are right, I saw it in the way you described (number of keys pressed), now that I saw it again with that aclaration it made more sense to me (except in the parts you pointed out = 0:17 and 2:00). Also yeah I'm not a pianist expert so I didn't know too much of what to take in mind while watching a girl playing piano.

Sorry if I offended with my comment, I must say that I too exagerated a little saying that "they were very off"
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Post by CodeZTM » Sun Jul 08, 2007 12:17 am

What the hell? I'm reading these comments, and I was overly impressed by this visual masterpiece of artwork. While it's not perfect, it's still pretty dang awesome. While I agree with Crack on the overlays that took away from the overall story, I still found this very enjoyable.

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Post by JaddziaDax » Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:34 am

okay im sick today/yesterday so my attention span wasnt quite working correctly... most i saw was the piano the entire time i really didnt catch most of the overlays...

it was cute from what i know of this series it fits well

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Post by post-it » Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:29 pm

Kionon wrote:Your claim that the piano keys were so far off ...
Kionon ... don't worry about it; that's the Artist in you. -- you did fine ^_^

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Post by Kionon » Sun Jul 08, 2007 2:38 pm

aesling wrote:It did seem as if a few piano scenes were a tad bit off, but I can understand how hard it might be to sync hand movements to piano music it was not drawn for. Overall a very cute little video. Maybe if I ever stop being lazy I will also leave you an op with more detailed comments, because I have the urge to give you a more detailed breakdown of what I thought.
Fair and accurate response. You don't have to do the op if you don't want to, but you're more than welcome to do so. I'd appreciate it.
GloryQuestor wrote:While I did notice a few spots where the key synch was off, I weighted its artistic merit much higher. I could see where the girl moved her hands but didn't press keys--most pianists will do that to keep their hands moving and set up the next chords and notes--so it is an element of the action sync, not a detraction from it.

Overall, I really enjoyed the video. It's lighthearted and does tell a pretty good story.

5/5
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omegarevolution wrote:well you are right that everyone has their ways to synch and understands(and sees) synch in different ways. Also you are right, I saw it in the way you described (number of keys pressed), now that I saw it again with that aclaration it made more sense to me (except in the parts you pointed out = 0:17 and 2:00). Also yeah I'm not a pianist expert so I didn't know too much of what to take in mind while watching a girl playing piano.

Sorry if I offended with my comment, I must say that I too exagerated a little saying that "they were very off"
That was pretty much what I figured was the case. You didn't offend me at all. I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't incorrect about the way I felt I set up the sync, and that more so the sync was understood by viewers unfamiliar with playing instruments, especially an instrument like the piano which can combine so many sounds in very few movements or have very little sound in quite a few movements. It isn't possible to do that with very many instruments. I believe, in fact, that no wind instrument can simply by virtue of how the instruments' notes are created. Chord progressions will be pretty much relegated to stringed instruments (of which piano is actually one, open it up and see), where each sound can be made on a separate vibration. Both instruments I play, trombone and clarinet, have only one available space for vibration, and if you change the note, you cannot keep the note before it (which is the more traditional sync you are used to).
code_chrono wrote:What the hell? I'm reading these comments, and I was overly impressed by this visual masterpiece of artwork. While it's not perfect, it's still pretty dang awesome. While I agree with Crack on the overlays that took away from the overall story, I still found this very enjoyable.

4/5
I can understand the style difference with the overlays. That's one of those editing choices we can argue until the sun goes out about its "appropriateness" or "impact," but, in the end, it's a matter of preference, and not a matter of technical error. And I'm glad that so far the people who have had issue with my stylistic choices realize the difference, and even if they don't like the video, certainly do not feel that my editing was technically unsound. I am grateful they are both skilled enough and mature enough to know the difference.

I'm also glad that my stylistic choices didn't take away enough from your enjoyment of it to hurt your understanding of the artistic vision of the video, and that you rated me highly for said vision.
JaddziaDax wrote:Okay im sick today/yesterday so my attention span wasnt quite working correctly... most i saw was the piano the entire time i really didnt catch most of the overlays...

it was cute from what i know of this series it fits well
'Tis alright, you can go back and watch it again when you feel better. I'm glad you thought it was appropriate.
post-it wrote:Kionon ... don't worry about it; that's the Artist in you. -- you did fine ^_^
Just trying to make sure I hadn't uploaded a beta or something. God knows I've done it before :P And thanks for your earlier comments. Coming from a piano player, it means a lot.
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Post by post-it » Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:55 pm

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Post by Hae » Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:59 pm

code_chrono wrote:What the hell? I'm reading these comments, and I was overly impressed by this visual masterpiece of artwork. While it's not perfect, it's still pretty dang awesome. While I agree with Crack on the overlays that took away from the overall story, I still found this very enjoyable.

4/5
same it was really nice. i liked it alot.
just..arouns 1:48 seemed rough to me. you freezed that part so it'd sync with the music but it was painfully obvious.
i loved it though. good work.

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