AviC FourCC ISSUE please help?

[post-it]

let the war begin ( again! )

AVI is not an Apple/MAC standard.

MOV is not an IBM/PC/UNIX/MicroSoft/Craig/Alice standard.

MPG is the only standard that both PC's and Apple can agree on!

there is no way that Apple nor MicroSoft could have EVER forseen something other than the Codec's that are supplied with the OEM Packages "ever working right" if they were not tested and rejected before the versions are released! ( Win95, Win98, OS 7.5, OS 9, OS X, the NT series, Vista, Unix ... )

If MP4, Xvid, Divx, RM, FLV, MKS, FLA, FLC, Sorenson's Quicktime were designed to work with OS-10+ -or- Microsofts XP/Vista then, they would have had the Encoders for THOSE codec's contained within the OEM Packages. Indeo 5.0 IS part of the OEM Package... you want Loss-Less, save it RAW......Arrow Shot through the Heart on that subject.

[Scintilla]

AVI is not an Apple/MAC standard.

MOV is not an IBM/PC/UNIX/MicroSoft/Craig/Alice standard.

MPG is the only standard that both PC's and Apple can agree on!

That's wonderful, and you're right that MPEG-1 is the most widely compatible thing out there. But you will appreciate the fact that I did not say a single thing about MPEG in my post.

there is no way that Apple nor MicroSoft could have EVER forseen something other than the Codec's that are supplied with the OEM Packages "ever working right" if they were not tested and rejected before the versions are released! ( Win95, Win98, OS 7.5, OS 9, OS X, the NT series, Vista, Unix ... )

If MP4, Xvid, Divx, RM, FLV, MKS, FLA, FLC, Sorenson's Quicktime were designed to work with OS-10+ -or- Microsofts XP/Vista then, they would have had the Encoders for THOSE codec's contained within the OEM Packages.

And if Microsoft had not intended for other developers to develop codecs that could be used in the AVI container, they wouldn't have released the VFW specifications. Why exactly does it matter whether or not a codec's contained in an OS's OEM package, if it has been <i>proven to work, just as well as those that are included,</i> with the container in question?

Even if Indeo does play nice with Vegas, you're still going to be taking a big video quality hit if you recompress to it. (Last I checked, Indeo couldn't hold up to the newer codecs in terms of compression, holding image quality constant.) And raw is a waste of hard drive space when lossless codecs do the job just as well.

[post-it]

hmmm ... I can see the WE are actually on the same sides of this debate.

What Codec does everything for everybody?

A Concept Codec:

What I would like to see would be an Editor that simply Cuts the sections you want and saves those section in the original files condition ( untouched ) so you could save all these little sections and use them as you see fit -- when you need them.
And, now that you need them, it would assemble those sections into a New container ( untouched ) for something like Virtual Dub MOD to make into Xvid, MKV, Mpeg, MP4 - or whatever you like - so that it can be played on PC's while still keeping the original edits in their original untouched sections playable on a DVD player as if it were `just another Movie / TV Episode.
Its this kind of thing that Containers like AVI MPG MOV MP4 and others can not do. ?? why ?? ... simple; VFW Standards! MPG Standards!

My point is:
What Container Is This sectionable Codec ?
If its' available, where?
If not, why?
And,
What editor does this - I'd really like to know

Why Should we have to Decode it to use it -- that's just wrong!

Why do we have to live by THEIR standards when we want to show somebody something that WE believe is possible -- that's just wrong!

If an Editor truly cuts pieces of Video and Merges them together, what format is that?

End of Concept Codec.

which brings me back to What Codec does everything for everybody?

[BasharOfTheAges]

Go off on completely pointless tangets to cover for the fact that you're wrong much?

[post-it]

I can't find out the correct way to use divx footage in vegas?

don't use Divx footage, its not a valid container.

I like tryed all the combinations like div3 x div4
and a bunch of others but my footage comes out ruined!

then, don't use codec's with your editor -- it can't handle them!

it doesn't show anything clearly; its just a green pixely bar at the top

proof that your not aware of the Software laws in the US.

help me because I JUST LOST ALL MY DIVX DUE TO THIS X|

Don't use xvid/divx

Try turning your DivX footage into some lossless codec like Lagarith or HuffYUV using VirtualDub first and then using that on Vegas. Vegas is a bit picky like that.

files come out too big

... wouldn't it ne nice if an editor could use codecs ...

Going off on a completely pointless tangets to cover the fact that you're always wrong!

? then what editor does use codec's? there should be one besides Virtual Dub!

what the question was, from the beginning is "why won't Sony's Vegas edit container type files?"

the answer is that Sony refuses to pay Royalties to Microsoft for the use of the VFW standards as long as Microsoft is getting kick-backs from codec makers. Of these VFW Royalty Payers, Lagarith and HuffYUV are not playing that Royalties Game and the Codes for Royalties Usery is not in their Codec's Coding. Anyone who makes Software and uses someone else's Codes must state that in the Disclaimers Agreement -- its not right but, it is the MicroSoft LAW. Therefor, Sony Vegas is keeping true to the Softwares Aliance passed in 1983 and the Software will not allow Royalties Based Codec's to be used - unless you have Purchased those Codec's and the Disclaimers Waver Plug-ins, agreed upon in 1998, to proof it!

Sense everybody on this web sight but BasharOfTheAges already know this, a ranting tangent is all anybody can actually do at this point! SSJNaruto245 should have read the fine-print on the box the software can in.

[Scintilla]

I like tryed all the combinations like div3 x div4
and a bunch of others but my footage comes out ruined!

then, don't use codec's with your editor -- it can't handle them!

? then what editor does use codec's? there should be one besides Virtual Dub!

... Kindly do the opposite of the Talking Heads and <i>start</i> making sense.

What is this about "not using codecs"? You kind of have to use a codec in order to do any video processing more complicated than a simple "direct stream copy", because you have to <i>1decode the video</i> in order to process it.

And stop using apostrophes to make plurals. It is never correct for normal words.

what the question was, from the beginning is "why won't Sony's Vegas edit container type files?"

See above comment about making sense. What the hell do you mean by "container type files"? Every* video file uses some sort of container, be that AVI, MOV, WMV, MPG...

* Setting aside for the moment raw data without file headers, but does anyone ever actually use that?

the answer is that Sony refuses to pay Royalties to Microsoft for the use of the VFW standards as long as Microsoft is getting kick-backs from codec makers. [truncated...]

Sense everybody on this web sight but BasharOfTheAges already know this, a ranting tangent is all anybody can actually do at this point! SSJNaruto245 should have read the fine-print on the box the software can in.

So, if that's true, then how do you explain why DivX-encoded clips sometimes work perfectly fine in Vegas (and other NLEs)?

[trythil]

the answer is that Sony refuses to pay Royalties to Microsoft for the use of the VFW standards as long as Microsoft is getting kick-backs from codec makers.

This is ridiculous.

Usage of the Video for Windows API has never required developers to pay royalties. Windows Media components require licensing, but that is a completely different issue.

Having shown your premise wrong, it's not necessary to address the rest of your post.


Now, here's a suggestion:

Do some real research or shut up. You, like MSNBC's Hardball, loudly spew so much incorrect inanity with just enough buzzwords to make it sound superficially plausible. You are doing a tremendous disservice to everyone here looking for help and everyone trying to help out.

To the original poster: Infinity Squared and BasharOfTheAges have good recommendations. Another thing to try is Avisynth and its DirectShowSource / AVISource filters. These will not only allow you to open the file in (say) VirtualDub, but also facilitate clipping out sections for export to uncompressed video.

[AesthetiX]

god...this is out of control. You guys didn't help one bit!=\ sorry to say. All I wanted was someone who actually uses AviC FourCC to help me, instead I get complex replies and stuff. God, well I appreciate you guys 'attempting' to actually help me, but it wasn't any. Shinodude helped me with my problem so that's it.
Let this ranting end please...

[Scintilla]

god...this is out of control. You guys didn't help one bit!=\ sorry to say. All I wanted was someone who actually uses AviC FourCC to help me, instead I get complex replies and stuff.

Setting aside for the moment the fact that you never mentioned AviC FourCC in your original post(s), we figured that it was more useful to let you know why <I>changing the FourCC wasn't going to solve your problem</i> and what you should have been doing instead to fix it.

But at any rate, good to hear that the problem got solved.

[Kevmaster]

Drop the file in AviC Four CC changer, make both drop boxes to DIVX.

If it still doesnt work, then the only possibility is to convert those files to a lossless codec.