Shamanking.Trigun, DBZ, Kenshin.

android21 · Post by **android21** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 5:05 pm

I lkike all these animes Do You?

Tsunami Jones · Post by **Tsunami Jones** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 5:19 pm

Could you stop posting pointless posts that garner only a one word response? Like perhaps include why you liked them? Not just "I like 'em, do you?" Or perhaps include specific themes/scenes from them to actually spark an interesting discussion?

android21 · Post by **android21** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 5:23 pm

Fine i like them because they have a complex storyline. Why do you like them?

Tsunami Jones · Post by **Tsunami Jones** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 5:26 pm

android21 wrote:Fine i like them because they have a complex storyline.

You've got to be kidding me . . .

android21 · Post by **android21** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 5:30 pm

Tsunami Jones wrote:
android21 wrote:Fine i like them because they have a complex storyline.
You've got to be kidding me . . .

No. Have you Seen every episode of all of 'em?

And i also like 'em because there the only ones that grab my attention.

Tsunami Jones · Post by **Tsunami Jones** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 5:37 pm

Websters Dictionary defines complex as 1: Having many parts 2: intricate

None of these anime are intricate in plot design or story. They're in fact, very simple and rather straight forward as they're geared toward they're target audiences. Like, I believe the biggest twist in DBZ that they do is along the lines of, "WTF?! My big energy blast of super-immense destruction didn't waste him! OMG!"

Series that I would consider among the complex would be things like Evangelion, Serial Experiments Lain, Boogiepop Phantom, etc. Things that actually make you think.

android21 · Post by **android21** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 9:55 pm

Tsunami Jones wrote:Websters Dictionary defines complex as 1: Having many parts 2: intricate

None of these anime are intricate in plot design or story. They're in fact, very simple and rather straight forward as they're geared toward they're target audiences. Like, I believe the biggest twist in DBZ that they do is along the lines of, "WTF?! My big energy blast of super-immense destruction didn't waste him! OMG!"

Series that I would consider among the complex would be things like Evangelion, Serial Experiments Lain, Boogiepop Phantom, etc. Things that actually make you think.

FINE THEY HAVE A GOOD STORYLINE!!!

Tsunami Jones · Post by **Tsunami Jones** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 6:09 pm

android21 wrote:
FINE THEY HAVE A GOOD STORYLINE!!!

I can agree with that. Well in most cases. I don't think dragon ball z really has a good "story line" overall, but some parts aren't too bad.

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 7:12 pm

Tsunami Jones wrote:Websters Dictionary defines complex as 1: Having many parts

Any anime with multiple seasons meets this demand, so DBZ and RK are automatically anime with many parts - that's not even breaking 'parts' down to include different genres like romance, action, drama, comedy, etc - and again, both DBZ and RK have all of these mixed together. So they fit the first requirement just fine.

2: intricate

Websters's 1913 dictionary wrote:. Entangled; involved; perplexed; complicated; difficult to understand, follow, arrange, or adjust; as, intricate machinery, labyrinths, accounts, plots, etc.

Now if you really want to go by such antiquated definitions, I'm game.

Entangled? Deeply involved especially in something problematic.

Any anime with characters struggling to think is entangled. This would include any of the various fights in DBZ where the main characters plot how they might possibly defeat the villain (the 'problematic' something they're deeply involved in).

Involved? Connected by participation or association or use.

No subject of this definition so take it as either the characters are connected or the viewer is connected. Either way, the characters are certainly connected to everything they do in the anime (since they're the ones doing it), and viewers are connected the the storylines in RK and the strong themes of good versus evil and striving to hold onto ideals - they're also connected to the exact same character types in DBZ or else fanboys would never bother to say how much they feel like Gohan is a representation of themselves.

Perplexed? Entangled, involved, or confused; hence, embarrassd; puzzled; doubtful; anxious.

I've already explained how RK and DBZ are both 'entangled and involved' and the characters are certainly confused at times (as well as the viewers trying to figure out unexplained things like how Shishio has a flaming sword and how Cell seems to have qualities of all the main fighters). Anyone is confused up until the anime explains itself whether you're watching Eva or Pokemon. Only psychics know ahead of time what the explanations are. Embarrassed? Who is embarrased watching Lain? You might question the anime you named as fitting these definitions. Regardless, plenty of people would be embarrased watching DBZ, or some of the more childish episodes of RK - and characters in both anime are often embarrassed. Puzzled? That's another word for confused, no need to say it again. Doubtful? This goes along with how a viewer feels up until the anime explains things, and is especially true in DBZ and RK since a lot of the things shown seem unlikely - characters are also doubtful when facing enemies that look impossible to defeat (Shishio, Buu). Anxious? Ever talked to a Vegeta fan who was watching DBZ on television and was twitching in his seat waiting for the next episode to find out if he really was dead? Definitely anxiety on behalf of the characters - the same for RK fans during the Kenshin/Saitoh fight. As for anxious characters, that's an easy one - Kenshin is anxious every time Kaoru gets in danger (think of the episode where he's trying to protect her on the ship), and DBZ characters epitomize anxiety since they're always being faced with emminent defeat.

Complicated?

Just another word for Complex - so no need to redefine this and start the circle all over again before it completes itself.

Difficult to understand?

Ever watched the Android saga and tried to understand the various altered timelines Trunks caused with his time travel? Nothing if not a headache waiting to happen. Even the hardcore fans have trouble keeping it all straight. As for RK, did you really get the 'secret' skills Shishio used, or how about trying to understand all the history lessons mixed into the storyline without watching the prequels first? Difficult to understand is another word for confusing and anything is confusing until it's explained.

None of these anime are intricate in plot design or story.

Says you, but you don't seem to be using the Webster's dictionary definition of 'intricate' so why did you use their definition for 'complicated'? According to their definitions for these words, at least two of the anime he named do certainly fit just fine. I can't speak for the others since I haven't seen them, but DBZ and RK are complicated anime, at least by Webster's standards.

Series that I would consider among the complex would be things like Evangelion, Serial Experiments Lain, Boogiepop Phantom, etc. Things that actually make you think.

Anything can make you think if you're interested. Now, if you mean anime that leave half the story unexplained, then sure - DBZ and RK don't fit that as well. But a good story doesn't leave the reader (viewer) guessing for the next 5 yrs. A good story explains itself. So those anime might make you think more, but that isn't necessarily a good thing.

/gotta love those definitions when making an argument

someperson · Post by **someperson** » Sun Jun 13, 2004 1:06 am

You should write a book on this stuff Ari