Whats gotta be the worst anime ever!?

DJ_Izumi · Post by **DJ_Izumi** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 3:05 pm

angelx03 wrote:That's true in an unfortunete way. At least some network TV stations is sort of being more careful of which series should be broadcast.

I still think it's true. I'll admit, I used to be one of those people who said 'LOL anime iz stupid! TURN THAT OFF lets watch REAL TV!' I got into Escaflowne just around when Fox decided to pull it back off the air. I just have to say that Escaflowne seemed to me like one of the first real steps towards putting GOOD anime on TV. (Keep in mind, I have NEVER seen the Cartoon Network in my country) The only other 'real' anime I've seen on TV here was when Teletoon (The Canadian crappy equilivant of Cartoon Network) was showing old Manga Ent titles... that's what REALLY sparked my lust for anime, things like Wings of Mayonase, Macross Plus, and Patlabor. Really good, solid animes, none of the childish stuff that propigates most of the airwaves.

kearlywi · Post by **kearlywi** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 4:30 pm

Kracus wrote:Even if Escaflowne isn't silly, that's not the only requirement for me.

kearlywi wrote:Escaflowne isn't a silly anime, its serious, well animated, and has very well done action scenes. It can be very dark in places too.

Whats wrong with me? How could I forget to mention that Escaflowne has the best charater developement I've ever seen in an anime (although Inuyasha is a close 2nd, really). Its no exaggeration to say they develop everyone, even sub-villians who are only in an episode or two. What truly sets Escaflowne apart from other animes is that its primary purpose is to tell a competent and engrossing story. In most anime, the story is simply a tool used to advance the anime from one action scene to the next (i.e. Ninja Scroll. Dont get me wrong I LOVE ninja scroll, and it actually had a very good plot for an action based anime film). Escaflowne has some of the most likeable characters too. Folken in particular (Folken is one of the head "villians"), he becomes so well developed towards the end of the show that I felt more respect for him than any of the protagonists.

How much escaflowne have you seen? I'm curious to know.

Kracus wrote:I like Ah my goddess, Ayashi no Ceres, Tenchi, and even SMJ.

I havent seen Tenchi yet (I can't wait to) but I have heard and read several people calling Love Hina a "Tenchi clone". Just so you know.

Jonathan02us wrote:
Reiji Nosferatu wrote:The worst anime ever!
Pokemon, DBZ *shudders*, Digimon (Is that even considered anime?) and Ah! My Godess. Yawn.
... no way ... well unless u HATE the romantic type anime ... but that was a good series ... very touching and it is an overall great anime ... thats all imma say .. 8)

Oh speaking of AMG, whoever mentioned it as a "worst anime" is a little off base. I will agree a little when I say I found AMG to be a pretty average anime, as it never really challenged the viewer or the characters, until maybe the movie, but mentioning such a well liked anime in this thread will get you some flamers.

DJ_Izumi wrote:It was still a step forward for the propagation of anime into the mainstream.

Unfortunately our puritanical roots still glow brightly. What we need is an anime that is good, not terribly offensive and graphic (for network standards), and can be related to by mainstream americans (It cant seem too japanese, or have a storyline that is too unique or strange (i.e. X, Kanon, Noir, Neon Genesis Evangelion)). I've thought about that issue quite a bit, and the only anime that qualifies is "Cowboy Bebop." Beyond the odd sounding name its a great anime to show people for the first time. Its too bad Cartoon Network has its grubby hands all over it.

I think Escaflowne was a little too exotic (with the mechas, samurais, samurai mechas, out of this world (but very good) plot) to be considered "normal" by mainstream U.S. (and canadian) society.
I think I honestly would have been weirded out if I had seen it on Fox years ago (as much as I like the show now, I think its an effect of "progression," i.e. my fav animes changed from Ninja scroll to Neon Genesis Evangelion to Love Hina to Inuyasha and Escaflowne etc.).

bazanime wrote:People tend not to like things when they become very popular.......wierd concept, but its a fact!!! I admit to falling into that trap!!!

Very true. Its such an unfair thing too. Despite misguided "conventional wisdom," people don't like things just because everyone else liked them. Maybe they tried the anime because it was popular, but honestly have you ever felt that after finishing an anime series you HAD to like an it just because everyone else loves it? Of course not. You like it because its a GOOD anime, as its following indicates (of course you can dislike it too). When I saw Inuyasha, Ranma 1/2, Love Hina, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Escaflowne, Outlaw Star, and Cowboy Bebop I had no idea that they were insanely popular. After finding out they were, I still REALLY like them, it had no effect on me at all. Why on Earth should I hate something just because other people like it? Its a mentality that is not based on thought or analysis, but simply on a (confrontational) gut reaction. People that think this way will never be able to strongly defend their positions or even express them (because there is no solid basis). And they'll miss out on a lot of good animes just because they are well accepted.

DJ_Izumi wrote:Wings of Mayonase

Does anyone else think its weird that my posts are so long? I swear I try to keep them short!

Savia · Post by **Savia** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 4:35 pm

It's hardly the worst ever, but Stellvia of the Universe is so average it hurts. Highly predictable, unexciting and with little to merit it except that ninja guy >__>

I'm at about episode fourteen, by the way.

Pwolf · Post by **Pwolf** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 4:39 pm

Savia wrote:It's hardly the worst ever, but Stellvia of the Universe is so average it hurts. Highly predictable, unexciting and with little to merit it except that ninja guy >__>

I'm at about episode fourteen, by the way.

i liked stelvia

Pwolf

Savia · Post by **Savia** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 4:50 pm

Pwolf wrote:
Savia wrote:It's hardly the worst ever, but Stellvia of the Universe is so average it hurts. Highly predictable, unexciting and with little to merit it except that ninja guy >__>

I'm at about episode fourteen, by the way.
i liked stelvia

Pwolf

I thought the good parts were:

Singing the OP and ED songs (but I always do this).

That ninja guy.

Some of the comedy.

The concept (sadly not lived up to IMO).

Otherwise, Shipon was a little too whiny and useless to allow me to believe that she made it onto the Foundation. And her redhead friend left me with a feeling of overwhelming violence.

Also:

Spoilers wrote:First Guy: "Oh no! A giant asteroid is coming that the normal ships can't stop! All we have left is this giant mech!"

Other Guy: "But it's useless! Anyway, there's only these two kids left to pilot it! Two kids in a mech can't save the world, fool!"

First Guy: "We can only try!"

And really huge spoilers here:

They only go and save the world.

I think that's when I gave up on expecting anything new from that series.

Poor dialogue, annoying characters and an ultimately limp plot and romantic byblows were the final nails in the coffin for me.

What did you like about it?

DJ_Izumi · Post by **DJ_Izumi** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 5:07 pm

kearlywi wrote:Unfortunately our puritanical roots still glow brightly. What we need is an anime that is good... I've thought about that issue quite a bit, and the only anime that qualifies is "Cowboy Bebop." Beyond the odd sounding name its a great anime to show people for the first time.

I'd agree that Bebop is a good candidate, but it's a bit 'American' even. Escaflowne was fine, they just should have been a little less 'creative' when cutting it up. The problem is, a lot of anime goes in one of two catagories. The 'Lame' catagory, and the 'WTF?' catagory. You're right, a lot of anime is just way to 'out there' to make it in the Main Stream. Eva would cause out-right panic in the streets, Kanon is way WAY to kiddyish.

'Gunslinger Girl', if dubbed well, could probabbly earn a Primetime slot on Fox or something. The problem with a lot of anime is that it has some god forsaken niche it always submits to, that makes it unappealing. Patlabor II and Patlabor WXIII are GREAT serious dramatic anime films, but then you have to explane WHY the police and military are using giant robots... Show them the Patlabor TV series, and well, it looks like kids stuff. Noir might work if carefully handled, the idea of a 14 girl running around with a Beretta 92 would scare many people.

You're right... I'm sitting here thinking, and I can't come up with much anime that wouldn't get mocked if it was pushed into the mainstream field.

Reiji Nosferatu · Post by **Reiji Nosferatu** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 6:53 pm

Merf...AMG is not the worst anime out there, I was just meaning in my opinion. I just thought it was boring, but it was well set-up. As for DBZ, it's not the fact that it's popular. I found it very repetative, and too long.

azulmagia · Post by **azulmagia** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 6:56 pm

dokool wrote:G-On Riders. Watched the first episode digisubbed, then immediately stabbed my eyes out with a hot poker. The stupidity of it all...

-DOKool

Awww, I wanted to watch that series, and you say it sucks.

Luckily, I'm skeptical as to most people's assertions.

J-0080 · Post by **J-0080** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 7:06 pm

Aside from Reign, I was also bored by Kikader. Betterman somehwat held my interest, but I didn't reall know what was going on (since I came in on like the 14th episode).

I actually liked the first season of Digimon, but then after that it became so bleh, so definetly the later seasons of the show is on my dislike list.

I'm annoyed at Macross Plus, no I really liked it, I'm just annoyed at Manga Entertainment for tricking me into buying the movie edition, they didn't put the dub on it dammit!

I didn't like Hamtaru, but I'm like 13 years older than their expected audience, so meh.

DJ_Izumi wrote:things like Wings of Mayonase

Either you made a typo, or there was a very interesting cooking anime I never heard about.

DJ_Izumi · Post by **DJ_Izumi** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 7:15 pm

Purposefull typo. I can never spell 'Hanaymaise' right. (See!?) so it's funnier to say 'mayonase'.