Who understood the Ending of End of Evangelion? [SPOILERS]

bluelife2128 · Post by **bluelife2128** » Sun May 04, 2003 8:13 pm

Like everyone so far has said... it's all speculation, Are minds perceiving it as our imaginations will. Just like art or music.
MY Feelings on the matter.

The end is actually pretty anti-climactic. Shinj was supposed to become god and RE-create earth. (that's why he went into liltuth's eye/vagina thing... unwillingly mind you. IT WAS RAPE... LOL.) To a certain extent shinji had control of the whole thing. Just didn't realize it. The first scene of shinji stranggling asuka was JUST in his mind sorting through a lot of crap. (By the way, OK, ASUKA DID DIE BY THE ANGEL'S. Who ever thought otherwise... I know she's hot, but come to grips man)The reason she and shinji were the only ones left is because shinji finally realized that the life he had was fine, because it created the person he is today. So in his strong will to have everything back to normal, he interrupted third impact, the earth is screwed, and somehow he brought back asuka. He stranggles asuka again do to confusion. And Asuka says "How disgusting" because of her understand of what a freak shinji is for stopping things where they are.

THAT IS MY THESIS. Idea. concept. Whatever.

Propyro · Post by **Propyro** » Sun May 04, 2003 8:22 pm

bluelife2128 wrote:So in his strong will to have everything back to normal, he interrupted third impact, the earth is screwed, and somehow he brought back asuka. He stranggles asuka again do to confusion. And Asuka says "How disgusting" because of her understand of what a freak shinji is for stopping things where they are.

meh, that sounds pretty plausable,, but your kinda implying that Asuka was brought back to life, i guess thats possible, i kinda want it to be possible ... because if Asuka's alive then who knows, maybe they could learn to accept each other and eventualy actualy love eachother if the earth ever manages to become "normal" again ... which would be an ideal ending to the story, or the continuation of the story that happens in my mind every now and then ... or did i just ignore the general meaning of another post and insert my own meaning in it again ... ?

Lone Wolf · Post by **Lone Wolf** » Sun May 04, 2003 8:52 pm

Now that I think about it, Unit 02 wasn't berserk. Therefore, Asuka shouldn't have been directly linked to the Eva. Remember, when Unit 01 went berserk with Shinji, Shinji lost all control and the Eva had a mind of its own. Asuka had complete control in her case.

The three young NERV command center people (you know who I'm talking about) tell Asuka to stop. The girl actually says this. Then, one of the guys says that she, Asuka, is going berserk. I think he's just saying that Asuka is on a rampage. I think he would have said that the EVA is going berserk otherwise.

At the end, you also see that she is bandaged. I think that means she had medical attention after the fight. Why would one use first aid equipment on someone who is obviously dead? That means she was rescued from her Eva and recieved medical attention. The rescuers gave her medical attention because she had the possibility of surviving.

BOOYAKA!

Propyro · Post by **Propyro** » Sun May 04, 2003 9:00 pm

Lone Wolf wrote:Now that I think about it, Unit 02 wasn't berserk. Therefore, Asuka shouldn't have been directly linked to the Eva. Remember, when Unit 01 went berserk with Shinji, Shinji lost all control and the Eva had a mind of its own. Asuka had complete control in her case.

The three young NERV command center people (you know who I'm talking about) tell Asuka to stop. The girl actually says this. Then, one of the guys says that she, Asuka, is going berserk. I think he's just saying that Asuka is on a rampage. I think he would have said that the EVA is going berserk otherwise.

At the end, you also see that she is bandaged. I think that means she had medical attention after the fight. Why would one use first aid equipment on someone who is obviously dead? That means she was rescued from her Eva and recieved medical attention. The rescuers gave her medical attention because she had the possibility of surviving.

BOOYAKA!

Maybe, i kinda agree whit you about the asuka not being dead (problaby becasue i want her to be alive), but her eva was going bezerk, it had depleted it's internal batteries, had no umbilical cable and was sitting there with a fake longinus lance in it's head. Then it raised it's hand and got stabbed again. It jsut wan't totaly bezerk, But could it have been that when Shinji went bezerk it was his mothers soul taking over to protect shinji, in this case i think Asukas anger was what was fueling the Eva, so maybe she woudl have been able to control it in that circuimstance. you have a point with the bandages, i see no point in giving first aid to a dead person, so maybe she was rescued, but thats not very probable with the production evas flying around. And can somone please tell me why they were able to get back up again after they were "destroyed"?

Lone Wolf · Post by **Lone Wolf** » Sun May 04, 2003 9:07 pm

They weren't completely destroyed. That's the thing. In the t.v. series, did you notice that whenever they destroyed an angel, it blew up? Well, the production type Evas didn't explode...

Propyro · Post by **Propyro** » Sun May 04, 2003 9:18 pm

Lone Wolf wrote:They weren't completely destroyed. That's the thing. In the t.v. series, did you notice that whenever they destroyed an angel, it blew up? Well, the production type Evas didn't explode...

not really, the second angel didn't explode, and if i recall that black hole one didn't either, it jsut bleed profuelsy ... and that angel that tried to infect the MAGI and the one that infected Toji's eva ... they didn't blow up either.

But Evas aren't really angels, theyre based on them but they aren't exactaly angels. Asukas eva was in lit's of little peices, it didn't blow up, but i'm sure that it was dead. Plus the damage that those evase took was quite a lot, i think if the prototypes the kids pioleted took that kind of damage that their evas would be incapacitated, unless they wen't bezerk and regenerated themselves.

Klicks · Post by **Klicks** » Sun May 04, 2003 9:38 pm

Ok, just a few points I don't think have been brought up yet:

I heard somewhere that the Japanese voice actor for Asuka was involved and/or ad-libbed the last line.

Also, the difference of endings can be looked at like this: In the movie, Shinji finally comes to grip with reality and stops running away, throughout the series he's been running away from everything, and suddenly he sees his mistake, and stops running from life, thus stopping human instrumentality and goes back to the harshness of reality.

While in the series he gives in and becomes one with everyone else, this is the happy ending, yet in a way, if compared to the movie, it shows that Shinji is still a coward.

Lone Wolf · Post by **Lone Wolf** » Sun May 04, 2003 9:59 pm

Just some last minute stuff I thought was interesting:

Q) Is Maya Ibuki a lesbian? Does she have feelings for Ritsuko?

A) Yes.

Although Maya looks up to Ritsuko as her "sempai", there was clearly an intention to portray Maya's feelings towards Ritsuko as something much more complicated with deliberate gay overtones. When the phantom Rei/Ritsuko embraces Ritsuko during the film, The End of Evangelion, Maya lets a gasp of "ecstacy" escape (as described by Anno). Further, in the Newtype filmbook for End of Evangelion, Maya's final lines before she reverts to LCL are surrounded by hearts. It's clear that Gainax intended Maya to be a character with, at the very least, decisively lesbian tendancies.

Q) I was told that there is hate mail to Gainax flashed on screen in The End of Evangelion. Is this true?

A) Yes it is true. The text that is quickly flashed on screen after the live-action segment and right before the Lilith-Rei being's neck begins to bleed, is a collection of emails sent to Gainax. While some of them are very positive notes, full of praise for Gainax and Eva, there is some legitimate hate mail intermixed. Refer to this page for complete translations.

Propyro · Post by **Propyro** » Sun May 04, 2003 10:04 pm

hmmm cool, i never knew she was a lesbian ... but then again i saw a fan subbed ep so i wouln't have kown because don't think those hearts were in there. Plus it appears that i wasn't paying any attention while iw as watching Eva.

Heero_Yuy84 · Post by **Heero_Yuy84** » Sun May 04, 2003 11:43 pm

Random question: Is it true there's a supposedly a flash frame reading:
Kill all humans
Do it now!

If yes, where was that?