Whats gotta be the worst anime ever!?

madbunny · Post by **madbunny** » Sun Dec 14, 2003 11:32 pm

No, please spoil it for me.

Funky endings work sometimes... see 2001, Akira, Duke Nukem and Evil Dead for examples.

What pissed me off about it was the departure from everything they had done up to that point when the stick figure theater started. The second one was marginally better, but still tasted like sour apples.

So please.. if you find some deep spiritual meaning in this that somehow I missed: share the wealth.

billy_wires · Post by **billy_wires** » Sun Dec 14, 2003 11:42 pm

SwordKirby537 wrote:Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, & Dragon Ball GT: DBZ IS GAY!!! A bounch of dudes with no shirts obsessed with balls. Im serious, the creator must have been gay.

Not only is this the oldest insult to DBZ ever, but it is blatantly wrong. I don't know who you're sleeping with, but human anatomy is not such that a man has 7 orange balls apart from his body, with the power to grant any wish once. End of story. Saying that it is gay because of the balls in turn makes all basketball, baseball, soccor, golf, tennis, football, rugby, pollo, bowling, crouquet (sp), cricket (sp I imagine), ect. players gay. That covers about anybody.
Oh yeah, I hate Hamtaro, SD Gundam, and Pokemon. Also, I am not much for Inuyasha or Blue Gender, but I don't hate them.

Jonathan02us · Post by **Jonathan02us** » Mon Dec 15, 2003 1:18 am

madbunny wrote:No, please spoil it for me.

Funky endings work sometimes... see 2001, Akira, Duke Nukem and Evil Dead for examples.

What pissed me off about it was the departure from everything they had done up to that point when the stick figure theater started. The second one was marginally better, but still tasted like sour apples.

So please.. if you find some deep spiritual meaning in this that somehow I missed: share the wealth.

Well ill just say this ...

Spoiler

In the end of evagelion ... the ending part where its only shinji and asuka left on the earth after the distruction ... think about it ... ok u still need help ... ok ... well if u think about it, shinji and asuka represent adam and eve ... implying that they were the ones that would create the new world ... remeber when that one seele member said that the third impact would bring something good and they would be reborn again into a better world ... u see where im going with that ...

...

well thats one little insight i wanted to share ... plz anyone else wanna jump in, go right ahead ... i would like to hear other peopls interpretations about this series ... 8)

kearlywi · Post by **kearlywi** » Mon Dec 15, 2003 4:04 am

NGE required a lot of thought and attention to detail, as well as some imagination, particularly towards the end. I've seen animes where they confuse you with references that are never explained (Ghost in the shell), and after seeing GITS about 4 times I finally understood why they used that method; to give us JUST enough information to understand the basic plot, while leaving everything else (the reasons, facts) mysterious. I know some very smart people who still claim that GITS is just gibberish pretending to be smart, and I agree to the degree that many things that we think will be explained never are (which is frustrating to most people, including me).

How Evangelion differs though, is that it lays clues all throughout the series, such as:

Spoiler wrote:Rei is cleaning, she rings out her rag.
Shinji: You do that the way a Mother would.
Rei blushes.

Clues to the purpose of Nerv, Seele, or the identity of Rei, etc are dropped in small doses from time to time. Their continuous reference of the dead sea scrolls, or in other words, the bible, were very telling as to the purpose of the angels and mankinds role in the apocalypse. I showed this anime once to a very avid christian friend, who was very well versed in the bible (including revelations). He made it a point to analyse every detail of the show as he watched it, and based off of that and his previous knowledge was able to predict nearly the entire plot of the show before he saw it, barring a few bombshells that involved the characters and not the philosophy.

I was told beforehand that Evangelion got "weird" at the end. I would counter that it got "great" at the end, I don't think I've seen a show as out of control, dark, and unpredictable as NGE was in the last 3rd of the show.
The movie did an excellent job replacing the two horrid final episodes. Overall, I felt that about 75% of the show was directly explained (with either foreshadowing, symbolism, suggestion, or direct explanation) and the rest was left up to the imagination.

For example, what was first impact? I've heard some say that it might be the meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs 65 million years ago, while others believe it is the biblical creation of man and earth, while others cite the Noah and the great flood (biblical). Or it could be an event totally unrelated to real history / religion. No one really knows, it was never directly explained (or even referenced), but we know there was a first impact because the near apocalyptic event that happened before the series began was called 2nd impact. The point is, they gave us that much information so that we could think for ourselves and try to guess what it means, we had to use our imaginations.

Jon, About the very end of the movie and those 2 characters and what you thought that symbolized, I have to wholeheartedly agree. At least thats the way I interpreted it. Its not called Neon Genesis Evangelion for nothing.

Mroni · Post by **Mroni** » Mon Dec 15, 2003 5:21 am

The dead sea scrolls and the bible have nothing in common. two sepertate things entirely why the jews are so secretive with them is that they may contain things that contradict jewish legends such as Masada. You know something if you have to rewatch something 4 times to understand it then it's not worth watching.

Mr Oni

Mroni · Post by **Mroni** » Mon Dec 15, 2003 5:30 am

madbunny wrote:No, please spoil it for me.

Funky endings work sometimes... see 2001, Akira, Duke Nukem and Evil Dead for examples.

What pissed me off about it was the departure from everything they had done up to that point when the stick figure theater started. The second one was marginally better, but still tasted like sour apples.

So please.. if you find some deep spiritual meaning in this that somehow I missed: share the wealth.

There is none a crappy ending is a crappy ending. Some people just can't admit crap is crap and they try turn shit into a golden apple by coming up with an artsey fartsy explanation if you want to talk about Evas ending more Send an Email to Unclemilo@yahoo.com he likes to talk about Eva be sure to tell him your oppinion.

Mr Oni

AtomicWeezleman · Post by **AtomicWeezleman** » Mon Dec 15, 2003 8:23 am

when you say crappy ending, do you mean the tv ending, hmm, maybe, i didnt find it that crappy, sure, lots of people claim that it was a botch job, end of the line crap, but i disagree, it tied up the ending quite nicely, it really probed the mind off shinji .....if you want to find out more about eva, theres plenty of threrads about 8 pages back in the anime section (this is a guess, just take some time to look eh?)

the film ending, well, if your a mecha fanboy, sure theres plenty of mecha action top keep you happy... but it didn't have the ending i would have envisioned (maybe thats why im not the creator...), and didn't tie it up as well.... but hey, thats this guys opinion.............waits for argument to ensue about the true meaning of eva..............

Jonathan02us · Post by **Jonathan02us** » Mon Dec 15, 2003 2:03 pm

kearlywi wrote:NGE required a lot of thought and attention to detail, as well as some imagination, particularly towards the end. I've seen animes where they confuse you with references that are never explained (Ghost in the shell), and after seeing GITS about 4 times I finally understood why they used that method; to give us JUST enough information to understand the basic plot, while leaving everything else (the reasons, facts) mysterious. I know some very smart people who still claim that GITS is just gibberish pretending to be smart, and I agree to the degree that many things that we think will be explained never are (which is frustrating to most people, including me).

How Evangelion differs though, is that it lays clues all throughout the series, such as:

Spoiler wrote:Rei is cleaning, she rings out her rag.
Shinji: You do that the way a Mother would.
Rei blushes.

Clues to the purpose of Nerv, Seele, or the identity of Rei, etc are dropped in small doses from time to time. Their continuous reference of the dead sea scrolls, or in other words, the bible, were very telling as to the purpose of the angels and mankinds role in the apocalypse. I showed this anime once to a very avid christian friend, who was very well versed in the bible (including revelations). He made it a point to analyse every detail of the show as he watched it, and based off of that and his previous knowledge was able to predict nearly the entire plot of the show before he saw it, barring a few bombshells that involved the characters and not the philosophy.[b/]

I was told beforehand that Evangelion got "weird" at the end. I would counter that it got "great" at the end, I don't think I've seen a show as out of control, dark, and unpredictable as NGE was in the last 3rd of the show.
The movie did an excellent job replacing the two horrid final episodes. Overall, I felt that about 75% of the show was directly explained (with either foreshadowing, symbolism, suggestion, or direct explanation) and the rest was left up to the imagination.

For example, what was first impact? I've heard some say that it might be the meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs 65 million years ago, while others believe it is the biblical creation of man and earth, while others cite the Noah and the great flood (biblical). Or it could be an event totally unrelated to real history / religion. No one really knows, it was never directly explained (or even referenced), but we know there was a first impact because the near apocalyptic event that happened before the series began was called 2nd impact. The point is, they gave us that much information so that we could think for ourselves and try to guess what it means, we had to use our imaginations.

Jon, About the very end of the movie and those 2 characters and what you thought that symbolized, I have to wholeheartedly agree. At least thats the way I interpreted it. Its not called Neon Genesis Evangelion for nothing.

Yeah i agree that in Eva ... they dropped a lot of clues about things and its up to u to get them ... well for some people, it takes longer to figure out, but all u need to do is think it through and it will eventually come to u ...

I am a Christian who know the bible decently... and i've noticed that there are many biblical reference, the name "Neon Genesis Evangelion" is biblical ... obviously ... ... etc.

The ending of the eva series was ok for me ... it gave me a pretty well end feeling ...

spoiler

the last episode where everyone is saying good job to shinji and applauding him ... i feel that this part is when he goes insane ... it was a good ending ... but it does lack the closure of wat happened to NEVR and Seele ....

I feel that the movie also did a great job in ending the whole series and concluded everything that was left on the cliff in the series ... but if u think about it ... the eva series has two endings ... the regular episode 26 ... and the movie ...

I like this series soo much ... imma post some more things that i found interesting later ... i cant wait ...

AtomicWeezleman · Post by **AtomicWeezleman** » Mon Dec 15, 2003 2:36 pm

something ive noticed, everyone who comments on evangelion, and whos a christian, always points this out, and claims to know the bible inside out............... hmm

(note, this is not saying you don't, its just something ive noticed.................meh)

kearlywi · Post by **kearlywi** » Mon Dec 15, 2003 3:35 pm

I'm also christian, and I don't have a strong knowledge of the bible. I saw the series for the second time with my very dedicated christian friend, who was pointing things out along the way. But then again, he told me that the dead sea scrolls were related to the bible. Even considering what Mr. Oni said, I am not convinced as he was a very competent person, with a regular credit load of 22 credit hours or more, a very good gpa (upper 3's), and is currently (in his 5th year of) pursuing his PhD to become a Doctor. He was particularly well educated on religion (he is [ironically] of arab decent). Not like that matters if he's wrong, but I look up to him as a credible person.

Anyway, I think the show is more about people with serious mental issues (which represented aspects of Anno's mind at the time he wrote it) than about religious prophecies. It works in both ways however, so I came away really liking the show a lot, even if it wasnt totally explained.

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