The spoiler to end all spoilers...

[derek_t]

On Trigun, if that is the ending. Then I do understand it, and reject it.

On Eva, let me try this again. What I'm saying is I felt that the writers are forcing the characters to go through hoops. Shinji changes in episode 19 and then before you can blink is back to the Shinji before episode 19 end.

There thats it.

Really, does the thought ever occur that someone may understand what was being said and decide to reject an ideal the writers are going for. Or are you saying I must be a sheep and just agree with everything being stated.

And on general storytelling. I disagree about leaving endings open. It not my job as the viewer to tell the story. If I was I wouldn't bother buying anime,books,movies,etc and just tell my own stories.

[Heero_Yuy84]

Side note: They took stuff from the original jewish kabbala (Correct spelling) AND the apocrypha. The angelic names and the Lance of Longinus came from there. Interestingly enough, though, if you watch the short-lived Fox TV series 'Roar', the roman centurion who drove the spear into Jesus's side was forced to live immortal because of his crime of killing christ, and the only thing that he wanted was to find the spear that killed a god... so that he could die. Cool, eh?

Memory serves there actually is a theory out there that Keel Lorenz was actually that man and

he triggered the Third Impact so that he could finally die (notice the mechanical spine after the rest of him reverts to LCL)

[dwchang]

Really, does the thought ever occur that someone may understand what was being said and decide to reject an ideal the writers are going for. Or are you saying I must be a sheep and just agree with everything being stated.

And on general storytelling. I disagree about leaving endings open. It not my job as the viewer to tell the story. If I was I wouldn't bother buying anime,books,movies,etc and just tell my own stories.

Except, *you* chose to read/watch their story. Keyword...THEIR story. They have every right to do whatever the hell they want, just as you have every right to not watch it or like it.

However, to say that they're wrong and you disagree is retarded. It's their story, how would you know where it should end? You didn't write or conceive it. They are the source.

At the same time, you're free to not like it, but a simple "I don't like it" would suffice other than trying to insult everyone with your sheep comment. Sounds more like you're choosing to watch something and if you don't like it you reject it even though YOU chose to watch it. Wow! Sounds like someone has a lot of things common with Shinji. Perhaps you should watch the show again. I think you have a lot to learn from it.

[derek_t]

First off, I appologize for hijacking the post.

I want to continue this but in another post

[dwchang]

Side note: They took stuff from the original jewish kabbala (Correct spelling) AND the apocrypha. The angelic names and the Lance of Longinus came from there. Interestingly enough, though, if you watch the short-lived Fox TV series 'Roar', the roman centurion who drove the spear into Jesus's side was forced to live immortal because of his crime of killing christ, and the only thing that he wanted was to find the spear that killed a god... so that he could die. Cool, eh?

Memory serves there actually is a theory out there that Keel Lorenz was actually that man and

he triggered the Third Impact so that he could finally die (notice the mechanical spine after the rest of him reverts to LCL)

Actually I think the same thing. I've read it somewhere too. Pretty cool ne?

[UncleMilo]

Just randomly commenting on comments.


I don't claim to know the correct spelling of the Kabbala... I've seen many spellings... so I will try to spell it this way from now on.

But yes... the religious material all comes from that... I could write a lot on the little I know in this field and have fun hurting your brain (as my brain was hurt... I only knew a little of it... and then my friend told me a lot more and I remember a good hunk of what he told me)

As for the Lance of Longinus - That is a poor translation by ADV... poor because THE SPEAR OF LONGINUS is an actual Holy Relic (and while lance and spear are close in definition, it only would have taken a small anount of research to translate this correctly. I don't want to get on ADV's case, because the show is very complicated to begin with and ADV, back then, was not as well structured as it is today). Longinus, the Roman soldier, pierced Christ's side with his spear and was indeed punished by God.

Anyway... if anyone wants to talk EVA, they are welcome to send me a private message or e-mail.



For derek_t, why do you "reject that ending?" I mean, the story clearly sets up Vash as a guy who always seeks the best solution to a problem. He always does what he can so that no one has to get killed. He is very saddened when people are killed. He and Wolfwood argue the point many times... where Wolfwood was raised to deal with problems with his guns...


(SPOILER for TRIGUN)














Don't forget that Wolfwood finally admitted that Vash's path was the better path and he tried to use it. He had defeated his master and instead of killing him, he felt that his victory was enough of a defeat to make his point. His master would have let Wolfwood go, if Legato had not gotten involved. Speaking of Legato, look how Legato allowed Vash to kill him... he wanted Vash to live his lengthy life forever knowing that he had to willingly pull the trigger on Legato. This was also important, because Vash HAD to kill... it would seem that, to Knives, this was the final victory... that since he showed Vash that no-win situations like that existed... that Vash should abandon his foolish philosophy... but in the end Vash showed that he would not give up... that even though there are times when violence does end up being the only answer... it still doesn't change the fact that there are other solutions. In the end, Vash made his choice... not to kill Knives... to find a a way to teach Knives what he had learned from Rem.


What did you want for an ending?

If Vash killed Knives, it would have defeated everything Vash had stood for. It would be breaking his oath to Rem to "take care of Knives."

I mean, if you don't like the optimistic ending... if you don't like the philsophy of the writer... then yes... you can not like the ending, because people are entitled to their opinion.

but to reject it? Given the way the story was developing...and all the discussion by characters about Vash's philosophy... I don't know how else the series could have ended.


Anyway... these are just my random thoughts.

-Uncle Milo