Censorship

[dreamawake]

I feel the need to create a topic about the way censorship works around here. The main reason I'm creating this thread is due to the lack of edit button, something that no matter how I think about it, just seems wrong. How many threads have we had now in site suggestions asking for something as standard and simple as a fucking edit button being enabled for everybody, in every forum? Now so far, the only response I've heard to this is "There have been issues in the past regarding people editing posts after flaming/spamming" or something along these lines. Well that's all fine and good, well, no, it isn't. If this is the case, how does this harm things more than it helps? Somebody removed a flame? Good. They either had the sense to realize they shouldn't have said what they said, or they were afraid of being punished. Either way, the problem takes care of itself without the need for a mod or admin to step in.

Now, that said, when I talked to Kio his issue was that he didn't want people getting away with being able to do that. If he was flamed, he'd want that person to be punished or whatever. Fine, you want something done? Take a screencap, or tell a mod/admin and have something done about it. There's always somebody around, right? I mean, this is what I'm told all the time. There are ALWAYS mods and admins around at all times always forever to talk to should you have issue with anything. Right? In all seriousness, if you want something done about an issue like this, you can get it done pretty easily. If the problem takes care of itself, why elevate things just because you got butthurt over a comment that somebody removed anyway? It's nothing more than the admins/mods would do, besides perhaps a warning to go with that, but why bother warning somebody if they've corrected themselves?

Another thing that comes to mind is something I've been noticing in the IRC. Whenever I speak to anybody about drugs in any way, I am always met with warnings from ops saying that talking about drugs is spam or somehow a bad thing or inappropriate to do in the irc. Or that it's irrelevant to most/some of the people in the irc. Take it to PM, blahblahblah what the fuck ever. Well, as far as I know, the IRC is a place to converse with other editors, there should be some type of level of maturity around here, I find it pretty fucking sad that any sort of drug talk automatically gets you flack. That said, it's perfectly fine for Atari and Pas to flood the fuck out of the irc talking about some Starcraft video they're watching. Let me tell you, I am not a starcraft fan, that shit is irrelevant to me, it's nothing but annoying flooding that gets in the way of other conversation in my eyes, but I fucking deal with it.

Where do we draw the lines here as a community? Are we not an artistic community? Too much blood/violence/sex in a video is against the rules here, how the fuck is this a good thing for art? I can understand maybe not hosting hentai videos locally, but anything more than that just feels like my voice as an artist is being hushed. I put this here and not in Site Suggestions because I want some discussion to go on about this and the edit button thread has been made many times by now, it's waste of time to bother posting in there again to me.

Discuss.

[Enigma]

I feel the need to create a topic about the way censorship works around here. The main reason I'm creating this thread is due to the lack of edit button, something that no matter how I think about it, just seems wrong. How many threads have we had now in site suggestions asking for something as standard and simple as a fucking edit button being enabled for everybody, in every forum? Now so far, the only response I've heard to this is "There have been issues in the past regarding people editing posts after flaming/spamming" or something along these lines. Well that's all fine and good, well, no, it isn't. If this is the case, how does this harm things more than it helps? Somebody removed a flame? Good. They either had the sense to realize they shouldn't have said what they said, or they were afraid of being punished. Either way, the problem takes care of itself without the need for a mod or admin to step in.

The lack of edit button is quite bothersome, yes. Donating for it isn't really a worthy perk either. The whole "it's not a norm to let you either posts in most forums" is also stupid. Norms are broken and so should this. Because having to post a thread in the mod drop box to change a simple BBCode tag is unnecessary.

Too much blood/violence/sex in a video is against the rules here

This could still be fixed with a simple blood/violence/sex categories. Even tho it'll spawn some overload for VCA contenders and some odd threads in the AMV Recommendations board (not that many people even post there anyway).

Decided to throw my 2 cents, but whatever

[kenisama]

I understand how you feel, in fact, others have felt the same way. But what I've come to realize is that discussions held over the internet are a moot point.

[-MD]

I WANT AN EDIT BUTTON ON EVERY FORUM >:|

[-MD]

I meant under every thread ._. oops

[EvaFan]

The restricted art argument seems silly to me, its not like you're not aloud to enter it to the catalog... You're just not aloud to upload it to the org. If you want to release your "blood/violence/sex" art then just provide your own direct links. I think its cause the org doesn't want to be held accountable for what some minor may end up finding that a parent wouldn't want their kid to find. Yes it's silly cause its still the parents fault for not being alert/aware, but the org has every right to take the preventative stance, besides you're not the owner or the one that faces the repercussions in said situation.

IMHO I don't like the rule at all other than the no hentai/sex part, that one makes some sense. The reason I don't agree with it is cause there is no clear definitive for the ruling involving blood/violence/gore. Some mod probably just watches the video and decides it's fate and then most videos just slip by unnoticed until someone drops it in the mod box anyway or posts it in the announcement section. Most kids see worse in movies and games these days regardless. I can't count how many times i've heard the little kid voicing over Left for dead 2 that has blood and gore and flying limbs.

I don't go on the IRC channel so its not fair for me to comment on that part.

I agree that a free edit button would be great everywhere but there are fair arguments on each side and don't care to get involved in it. I just want it cause I make simple mistakes all the times.

Isn't there a way to just be able to show at the bottom of the post that it has been edited and by clicking on that the original post is shown to meet both sides of the argument?

[BasharOfTheAges]

The gore thing is unique... Mostly in that it's rare to see the kinda gore that is actually banned from local in anime at all. Most civilized countries treat it the same way fundies treat nudity and sex. Japan keeps it out of their all-ages anime, so you really only see it in rare cases and guro hentai.

To the IRC stuff - there are rules about discussing illegal things. They're basically "don't do it." Doesn't seem so difficult to understand, but I guess it is.

[dreamawake]

To the IRC stuff - there are rules about discussing illegal things. They're basically "don't do it." Doesn't seem so difficult to understand, but I guess it is.

Since when is it illegal to talk about drugs? Last I checked, it wasn't.

but its all cool when alcohol is the subject matter at hand, GOTTA GET YOUR DRINK ON AMIRITE?!

[Fall_Child42]

A report button does please both sides of the edit button argument and offer some additional benefits.

On one side of the edit button argument people want to edit their posts, add information and make small corrections.

Some will say "use the preview function." We are human, sometimes we make mistakes, and sometimes we forget some information until after the post has been made. It would be nice to add or correct that information later. I still condone the preview function, but there are cases when being able to change the post after the fact would be very helpful.

Those against the edit button say it would allow people who are flaming to get away with it since they could change their post before a mod sees proof they did anything wrong. This does make sense, however I believe the "Report this post button" solve this problem.

I do not know how the report post button work on the org, but Ideally it should send a copy of the post to the mod's inbox.
A Report this post button that sends a copy of the post directly to the moderator's inbox, would mean that even if the post was edited later the mods would have a copy of the initial offending post. They could look at it and decide what actions need to be taken. If this was combined with a small indicator at the bottom of any post that allows everyone to see that it's been edited (much like the video information page on the org) Then the mods would know that the person has been backtracking.

How does the report this post button work?
Does it send a copy of the post to the mod's box or just a link to the post?
If it does not send a copy, would it be difficult to change it so it does?

If it sent a copy, I think the argument supporting a lack of an edit button would disappear.

[BasharOfTheAges]

To the IRC stuff - there are rules about discussing illegal things. They're basically "don't do it." Doesn't seem so difficult to understand, but I guess it is.

Since when is it illegal to talk about drugs? Last I checked, it wasn't.

Who said it was illegal to talk about drugs? It's against the rules to talk about illegal things though. If you were talking about talking about drugs (i.e. talking about a conversation after it happened and that conversation was about drugs) then what you just said would make sense. That's not what happens though, so it doesn't.

Rules of private organizations are different from laws. Foremost so in that they aren't constrained by any sort of rights you think you might have.