AWA Pro - It's a shutout

[Vlad G Pohnert]

Vlad, I would be interested to know what the community was like prior to there being so many contests. the growing trend of the amv community revolving around contests is not surprising, but I think it has to do with more than just the desire to win

I've made music video for longer than I've compeated in contests... Back in the late 80s and early 90s, it was just a treat to show it to a small gathering like at a club or even a total treat to have it play at a convention. I was way more satisfied with people just enjoying them rather then seeing all the contests as now...

In short, it was a lot more fun.. People did not flame each other, nor did they complain about everything under the sun about contests, videos, etc... Back then it was something special that a handfull of us shared.. Plain and simple...

Frankly these days the community in one respect is spoiled rotten... It's gone beyond a fun hobby in some cases and as with any thign that gets popular, there are now "clases" of creators and videos...

Now, it's not all doom and gloom since I've made a lot of friends and talked with fellow hobyists ove rthe last several years as well.. This is invaluable! Frankly I don't care about all the stats, that video X is #1, that creator Y has been elivated to stardom by the fans, etc... To me it's all about having a fun hobby and meeting new people I can call friends... If I have to choose between that and contest, then to hell with the contests

Vlad

[norskotaku]

well said. make sure I get a chance to shake your hand next time we're both at the same con.

it must have been fun back in the day before it became so big, but I guess it's not unlike anime fandom in general. I sometimes long for the days when I would sit and enjoy anime all by myself, rather than having hundreds of people to argue with about it.

[VegettoEX]

I've heard enough stories about the "olden" days to know that there was a FANTASTIC deal of the same ol' controversy, back-stabbing, pissy-ness, and general LAME-ness... we only think it's worse now because there's more of us. We're bound to hear about it more often :P.

I think you're just such a good-natured person, Vlad, that you probably found your way around it all :P.

For goodness sake, HOW many videos got nominated? 40. Out of 58. That's nearly 70% of the videos. If you start going beyond that, it's not even a contest anymore... it's just an exposition ^^. Though, I think we're beyond that point of analysis, now... just wanted to pop that in.

FUN. HAVE IT.

[Vlad G Pohnert]

I've heard enough stories about the "olden" days to know that there was a FANTASTIC deal of the same ol' controversy, back-stabbing, pissy-ness, and general LAME-ness... we only think it's worse now because there's more of us. We're bound to hear about it more often .

I think you're just such a good-natured person, Vlad, that you probably found your way around it all .
FUN. HAVE IT.

Yea. Yea... I'm an old guy so of course the good old days were better.... seriously though this particular facet of it was more fun in the "olden days", but we are still human beings and all the other crap was present in everything else... really, all I am pointing out here is that I found it to be more enjoyable without the contests that attracted all the politics... and NO, I'm no saint be far and am prone to the same human errors and politics as anyone else 8)

Anyway....just for the record, I've have no complaints about Pro itself at all... It's an enjoyable contest and I loved a lot of videos on those discs...

Vlad

[Pwolf]

To be an effective AMV creator and competitor, you have to know how to use AfterEffects.

Bullshit

Thats just a stupid excuse...


Pwolf

[genestarwind21122]

Wow I would like one of those. Maybe one day I'll get there.

Gene Starwind 21122

[Voices_Of_Ryan]

Some Stuff

I find it humorous that the person who deceived the community with a duplicate account and outright cheated someone out of a VCA nomination for "Rookie of the Year" is complaining about a contest being unfair.

Oh i'm sorry, all i heard was, bs bs bs bs bs I can't forget the past because i still choose to belive we're kiddies.

And ofcourse you'd take that point of view, you where one of the ones i was bitching about for christs sakes.

Btw, it wasnt rookie of the year, and btw, i made WAY too many apologies for that (when in reality all i had to do was apologize to phade and didnt HAVE to apologize to anyone else to keep my membership, but I accepted my mistake, and I TRIED to recitfy it BY apologizing, but i'm about sick of it) so how about you take your head outta your ass, and accept the fact that i'm not kissing your ass just because I made a mistake once.

I made too many apologies to even care anymore, and if you cant just drop it then you have more problems than I did buddy.

And I wasnt making an arguement, i was making a statement, an opinion, and an idea for next year overall (and btw, this isnt communist russia so i'm allowed too).

So back off me, and stop bringing me stealing somethign away from someone else, I've apologized, it happened i was NOT banned, and I DID apologize several SEVERAL times.

[Mr Pilkington]

So back off me, and stop bringing me stealing somethign away from someone else, I've apologized, it happened i was NOT banned, and I DID apologize several SEVERAL times.

Sincerity is your friend

[Bakadeshi [AuN Studios]]

Oh boy, I expected this to happen. I'm just surprised it took so long for me to notice this thread ;p


My thoughts on it:

Personally I would have liked all the Pro entries to have been fresh entries for the contest made for the contest. But thats just because of the whole blind rule, and it just seems fair that way. Especially if the video is done by a creator that is wellknown in the cominuty. People may tend to be slightly biased, even if they don't intend to be, if they know their online budy created this entry. One of the reasons I entered the con was to test to see if I could make a video that could stand against some of the bigger named editors, if competing against them blinded. So yea, I do think there should be a similar rule in that respect as is with masters. However, 2 of the videos I still nominated, were shown at Otacon, so I did not let that realy influence my decision by a large degree, though I may have been slightly biased against those videos.

However, above stated is just my opinion as to what *I* think the contest should be like, AWA Expo is not MY contest, so I'm not gonna go badmouthing it or anything because its not run how I like it to be run. I would however suggest that the contest cordinators do consider this for their next one.

That being said, I think most of us (the creators) are mature enough to vote fairly on a video and not handicap it because we think this or that person did it. So I don't think it will be a big problem.


Oh And Addiction: I'm pretty sure I know wich vid is yours, and I did nominate it, so your wrong there ;p



As far as why I compete in contests? To get more exposure of course! If I don't win, I'll admit theres a degree of disapointment there, but that usually doesn't last very long. I'm happy just to get a vid shown at a contest, and hear the fans enjoying it. Its when I hear my vid get booed is the day I'll realy be depressed ;p Even if that were to happen though, its just a step to make myself better. I make videos for the fun of it. The reaction it receives at cons, is part of that fun. Sure getting a trophy or certificate, or other prize would be cool, but its not all there is to it. All it means is either a bunch of people liked your vid (Audience voting) or a bunch of judges liked it. Either way it all can be chalked up as experience.


Interestingly, I've made it as a finalist in all contests I've submitted to... but have yet to actually receive an award..... In that light, I could be in the worst predicament, almost like I'm just standing still and not improving ;p


Oh and, even if I don't win anything (which I think is very likely anyway, considering the competition in said categories) again here, Just the fact that there are 4 videos on those pro dvds that I absolutely love, and now have them in their full quality mpeg2 glory, just that alone would still make it all worth entering in the end.

[Mr Pilkington]

Oh And Addiction: I'm pretty sure I know wich vid is yours, and I did nominate it, so your wrong there ;p

Somehow I doubt that highly! No offence
Besides he doesn't have access to decent quality Urotsukidoji clips.