1st off: Bakadeshi, You know that I value your opinions. That should go without saying. However Fluxmiester's videos are, in my opinion, the exception not the standard. Regardless of that, what you are saying is what I (in my own way) am saying. A video should not be discriminated against for the type or amount of effects that are used, but instead for it's content and character.
It's naive and irritating to see people point their fingers at specific aspects of editing and claim that they have the answer to what is perverse and causing the decay of a given concept. I've personally seen countless videos that used no effects what so ever that were absolutely breath taking. I've also seen videos that had gratuitous amounts of effects applied that were equally entertaining.
I don't really have an opinion of someone that just thinks it would be jolly good fun to have a little contest in a certain style just to see what comes up. I do however have thoughts when someone makes outlandish statements such as this:
You don't feel like perhaps you are over simplifying the problem a bit here? Why not just have the gall to call it what it REALLY is. Shit editing plain and simple. Over the years I have seen alot of shit editing. I can deal with that. Saying that the community has become perverted via effects packages is analogous to me to the people that claim that Disney World is responsible for the moral decay of today's society. It's just a bizarre and abstract connection in my eyes. You don't seem to be against effects. You seem to be against people that use effects to attempt to sweep a shitty video under a nicer looking rug. Welcome to the club pal. No one likes a video that has a shit foundation and a bunch of nonsensical bling bling to boot. It doesn't make you "old school" or "grass roots" or fundamental or whatever to dislike an over glorified video with no substance. It makes you just like pretty much everyone else. The way that you choose to focus your disgust for said videos is how you are truly different from everyone else. Despite what I am assuming to be your most valiant of efforts, you've made yourself out to be more of an elitist then connoisseur. You are no longer stating a simple preference, but are instead (intentionally or not) attacking a broad variety of people that do not necessarily feel as strongly about this as you do. How? If you want to state that effects packages are perverting the community, then I would assume that you are implying the distributors of effects laden works to be spreading perversion. Nothing like making people feel like shit to get them to side with you 'eh?Over years I have witnessed how parts of the AMV community have become perverted by the overuse of effects packages
You are 100% correct. I should have taken the time to view you page before hand. That said I would like to state that my opinion of your contest has immediately degraded exponentially due to your enlightenment.SD-Chan wrote: Also the rules for the 'Pure'category don't even allow crossfades & dissolves... we're talking REAL basic here ^_^.
If you'd been to the site you'd have seen that it states "The video track cannot have undergone any post-production effects or been altered from it's original state." You can use the cross fades or dissolves that are already in the anime, but you can't create your own. As such that's why making a truly great video seems difficult to impossible, and is probably what discourages most people from entering...
This statement confuses me to no end. Are you insinuating that it is impossible for a video to have great effects, AND posses elementary editing techniques? And further more are seriously trying to educate people? If so I would like to be the first one to say go fuck yourself for believing that I require you at all to decide what is good. If you truly believe that you would even be helping out 10% of the people that waste their time on you contest by introducing them to something you seem to believe is divine via it's grasp of simplicity, please wake up. It's completely unrealistic to even consider that the vast majority of those who are even in the "community" or whatever would love a effects free video, but just for whatever reason seen one. Almost everyone has seen them. Most have seen considerable amounts of them. I have faith in peoples abilities to form intelligent opinions without someone like yourself taking what is generally accepted as an event of entertainment, ( AMV Contest ) and using it as a device to educate people to the advantages of your personal view points. All that you are truly doing is attempting to limit what people are able to see. Plain and simple. How do you feel you can broaden someone's horizons when in truth you are only showing them half the picture? I find that patronizing.SD-Chan wrote:Or maybe it's to show people that effects do not make a video, and if you don't ignore the very basics you can create a great video(After all, name any sports personality that got to the top of their game by ignoring the basics of their training?)
So a being able to show you the basics of something is a demonstration of my mastery? I don't even know what to think about such an insolent statement.SD-Chan wrote:The reason that the 'Pure' category is about skill, is because you have to demonstrate the very basics of editing
Here is another thought provoking statement. 'The fact that certain people find effects fard to integrate' has never really hampered anything I have done. In fact the fact that certain people do damn near anything has never been a factor in what *I* do. The truth is that everyone is already on a level playing field here. In reality, if anyone has 'skill' then they can deliver their vision regardless of what program they use. Even if they have to resort to a really cheap editor AND MSPAINT! :0 It's fine to dream that you are leveling the playing field. But in reality, you might be doing the exact opposite.SD-Chan wrote:if everyone's on a level playing field, be they beginner, experienced or hardcore, then surely their natural talent will shine through and not be hampered by the fact that certain people find effects hard to integrate.
Why would my own fears have anything to do with this? I'm not entering your contest regardless.... And the day this hobby and the possibilities within it start to frighten me is the day I stop altogether. As for attention, I could care less. Of anyone that I may want attention from, you sir are rather low on the list.SD-Chan wrote:By resorting to this kind of language it means only two things to me.Joykiller wrote:To summarise, you're a total retard and might want to re-evaluate how fucking pussified you are.
Please die alot.
1. You're scared of the fact that if you had to only use basic editing, you'd look alot sloppier than you think.
2. You really want attention from people and as such want to troll a perfectly civil discussion and turn it into an arguement... (If it's this option then I apologise to evryone else on the boad for responding, as i'm sure this'll only fuel your fire.)
The fact that you even question this is a sign that maybe what you are doing isn't necessarily 'good for the gander'.SD-Chan wrote:Nice to know i'm not totally alone
Just a few one other thing that I thought might help you in the future:
SD-Chan wrote:Also, i'm sure many of you have seen that there is also a faction of people out there that get their hands on a copy of after-effects and then damage their video with unneccessary effects, much to their own downfall.
Are you saying there is a conspiracy here? Or did you just make your best attempt to sound semi-intelligent by using words you don't understand and fail?dictionary.com wrote: fac·tion - A group of persons forming a cohesive, usually contentious minority within a larger group.
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