Wildercon 2004 AMV Contest

Suzuki_Akira · Post by **Suzuki_Akira** » Sun Jul 04, 2004 10:30 pm

Why don't you post a list of those who've entered, so we know if the original FTP was successful.

genestarwind21122 · Post by **genestarwind21122** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 12:10 am

I filled out the entry form but where is the ftp adress.

WilLoW :--) · Post by **WilLoW :--)** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 2:50 am

genestarwind21122 wrote:I filled out the entry form but where is the ftp adress.

+1.
I didn't receive any email

(Now I've filled the form 5 times

)

SD-Chan · Post by **SD-Chan** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 5:09 pm

DrngdKreationz wrote:I don't get how your "pure" Category reflects Skill... That's like the easiest part.

The reason that the 'Pure' category is about skill, is because you have to demonstrate the very basics of editing (ie cutting, timing, combination of media & ability to convey the correct emotonal state) without relying on additional effects to cover-up any weaker points(much like how pop artists nowadays utilise an 'Auto-tune' to correct their off key moments.)

Over years I have witnessed how parts of the AMV community have become perverted by the overuse of effects packages and poor combinations of songs and anime which lessen the effort and acheivements of those few that are trying to expand the form to a new level.

I have seen many video's that have utilised additional effects, such as direct frame editing, blending or warping, to great effect and have truly elevated the video by doing so, but in the same breath I've seen almost twice as much that abuse these effects with no moderation. This is why our con still has a General & a Comedy category that have no restrications on the effects or changes you wish to do. THis allows those of you that feel either reliant on these effects, or those that have made a good video into a great one by their use, to still be able to enter and display them (After all I may want to affect some change in attitude, but I'm not so bold or arrogant to demand that all entries fall into my vision of an AMV, it's for the public to decide that! 8))

Also, i'm sure many of you have seen that there is also a faction of people out there that get their hands on a copy of after-effects and then damage their video with unneccessary effects, much to their own downfall. In it's own way the 'Pure' category can help protect these people from sabotaging their own work unintentionally.

The 'Pure' category at its inception was also made to make one final, simple point, and it's one that is sometimes overlooked. This category can be entered by someone with a basic video editing package(ie something like Microsoft AVI editor or DDClip< I wonder how many of you still use it?

>) and have as much chance of winning with their intrinsic talent as someone using Premiere or Avid. I want it to act as a level playing field to help strengthen people in the very core basics of making a good video so that when they go onto making ones that they feel needs a particular added effect, it'll only be there because they now KNOW that can't enhance the video anymore with traditional cutting & synching.
I hope this has not only answered your question, but has encouraged you and others to enter. If you have read this and still see it as the 'easy' option then prove that statement to me with a video

After all, as mother always says "Actions are louder than words..."

Suzuki_Akira wrote:Why don't you post a list of those who've entered, so we know if the original FTP was successful.

Registrations so far are from:
BdaWiD
Gene Starwind 21122
JCD
The Perfect Soldier (Suzuki_Akira)
WilLoW

Successful uploads so far are from:
The Perfect Soldier (Suzuki_Akira)
Gene Starwind 21122

genestarwind21122 wrote:I filled out the entry form but where is the ftp adress.

The FTP is emailed to you within 24 hours of filling in the registration form.

WilLoW :--) wrote:I didn't receive any email

That's because our website guru is currently away on 'compassionate' leave and as such we didn't spot the error until today! Everyone has been emailed apart from BdaWiD who's email addrss doesn't seem to work

OtakuForLife · Post by **OtakuForLife** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 12:51 am

Sent an email .. tell me when you get it please

DrngdKreationz · Post by **DrngdKreationz** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 1:13 am

I guess me and you just have different Ideas of what the word "skill" is.

SD-Chan · Post by **SD-Chan** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 3:10 am

DrngdKreationz wrote:I guess me and you just have different Ideas of what the word "skill" is.

If people didn't have differing opinions, could you imagine how boring the world would be!

Joykiller · Post by **Joykiller** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 1:36 am

SD-Chan wrote:
DrngdKreationz wrote:I guess me and you just have different Ideas of what the word "skill" is.
If people didn't have differing opinions, could you imagine how boring the world would be!

I don't know about opinions, but I know that if all every vid on this site had was crossfades and dissolves, etc. that that would be boring as shit.

I think that you are worried that amaturs might get their asses handed to them by someone that can do a bit more then a crossdisolve, so you are sheltering them.

*YOU* are the real minority here. Look at the top 10%. Care to count the vids that offer a bit more then fades to black? Don't bother. They are the majority there I assure you.

To summarise, you're a total retard and might want to re-evaluate how fucking pussified you are.

Please die alot.

Bakadeshi [AuN Studios] · Post by **Bakadeshi [AuN Studios]** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 1:51 am

Joykiller wrote:
SD-Chan wrote:
DrngdKreationz wrote:I guess me and you just have different Ideas of what the word "skill" is.
If people didn't have differing opinions, could you imagine how boring the world would be!
I don't know about opinions, but I know that if all every vid on this site had was crossfades and dissolves, etc. that that would be boring as shit.

I think that you are worried that amaturs might get their asses handed to them by someone that can do a bit more then a crossdisolve, so you are sheltering them.

*YOU* are the real minority here. Look at the top 10%. Care to count the vids that offer a bit more then fades to black? Don't bother. They are the majority there I assure you.

To summarise, you're a total retard and might want to re-evaluate how fucking pussified you are.

Please die alot.

actually, Fluxmiester's videos for the most part disprove this. He is an example of an editor that can make a winning vid with little to no special effects in it besides simple fades, desolves and croping. Take Souls of Rage and sorrow for instance ^_^

As I always say, use effects where it helps, and leave them out where it will just detract. seems the top 10% voters for the most part agree with me on this.

on topic, I may have a video for this. one of my vids are pure simple edits with no real effects.

SD-Chan · Post by **SD-Chan** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 3:34 am

Joykiller wrote:I don't know about opinions, but I know that if all every vid on this site had was crossfades and dissolves, etc. that that would be boring as shit.

Agreed and I never said that all videos should only have simple cutting effects. Please fully read a person's post before getting on a high moral kilter

Also the rules for the 'Pure'category don't even allow crossfades & dissolves... we're talking REAL basic here ^_^.
If you'd been to the site you'd have seen that it states "The video track cannot have undergone any post-production effects or been altered from it's original state." You can use the cross fades or dissolves that arre already in the anime, but you can't create your own. As such that's why making a truly great video seems difficult to impossible, and is probably what discourages most people from entering...

Joykiller wrote:I think that you are worried that amaturs might get their asses handed to them by someone that can do a bit more then a crossdisolve, so you are sheltering them.

Or maybe it's to show people that effects do not make a video, and if you don't ignore the very basics you can create a great video

(After all, name any sports personality that got to the top of their game by ignoring the basics of their training?)

Joykiller wrote:*YOU* are the real minority here. Look at the top 10%. Care to count the vids that offer a bit more then fades to black? Don't bother. They are the majority there I assure you.

I never said my opinion was in the majority, nor did i EVER claim that this was the correct way to make videos. I was asked why this was about skill, and I've said my reasons, if everyone's on a level playing field, be they beginner, experienced or hardcore, then surely their natural talent will shine through and not be hampered by the fact that certain people find effects hard to integrate.

Joykiller wrote:To summarise, you're a total retard and might want to re-evaluate how fucking pussified you are.

Please die alot.

By resorting to this kind of language it means only two things to me.

1. You're scared of the fact that if you had to only use basic editing, you'd look alot sloppier than you think.

2. You really want attention from people and as such want to troll a perfectly civil discussion and turn it into an arguement... (If it's this option then I apologise to evryone else on the boad for responding, as i'm sure this'll only fuel your fire.)

Oh and Bakadeshi, thanks very much for reaffirming to me that there are people out there who get what I mean. Nice to know i'm not totally alone

On Topic:

Hope to see your video Bakadeshi, would be nice to have another entry from the pure category ^_^