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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 2:08 pm
by Zaxcerty
What it means to be young by atchang is my nominee here.

I think there is no effects in this vid (hasn´t played the games so I can´t be 100% sure) but it seems to be clean.

Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 2:21 pm
by angelx03
Here's a couple more:

Jasper Isis' Ever Searching - Shamanic Princess
Fluxy's F A V - Dead Leaves
slackergirl's Look How They Shine - Cardcaptor Sakura
SnhKnives' Something Better - FLCL
Otohiko's Damage - Kare Kano
Arigatomina's Animal Attraction - Various
Pwolf's Every Breath You Take - Love Hina

Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 4:48 pm
by AquaSky
Garylisk wrote:Anyone besides me notice that there's tons of videos in the list for "Best No-Effects Video" that have effects. Delerium comes to mind, as well as Dive, Whisper of the Beast, Why...? Can't...? I...?, Everyone is Different, etc...
I went ahead and left the effects box unchecked for Everyone is Different, since all it really has are canned page transitions and two split-screens. I wouldn't consider the former to be an effect (any more than I would another transition like a cross-dissolve), but whether or not the latter is would be iffy. But, yeah, I see where you're coming from; it can be hard to draw a definitive line on what constitutes an "effect". Still, it's a decent category, as a complement to "Best Use of Visual Effects".

Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 4:54 pm
by Jnzk
IcyCloud wrote:It can be hard to draw a definitive line on what constitutes an "effect".
Anything more than a cross-dissolve from clip A to clip B, according to the definition you see when you're entering a video. That's what I use as my guideline in the VCA nominations.

Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 6:17 pm
by SSJVegita0609
angelx03 wrote: Fluxy's F A V - Dead Leaves
Ummm, that vid's full of motion effects...

Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 6:25 pm
by angelx03
Ugh! :x

Technically, I'm just picking off videos that just appeared in the filtered lists (practically any video that doesn't have the Effects score filled in).

Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 6:25 pm
by Otohiko
Janzki wrote: Anything more than a cross-dissolve from clip A to clip B, according to the definition you see when you're entering a video. That's what I use as my guideline in the VCA nominations.
An odd guideline, as all my videos have at least a bit of motion and perhaps a brief overlay or two, but you can't say I have many effects in them at all (excepting for the two vids with severe cases of various flying color-objects).

Re: Best No-Effects Video

Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 7:26 pm
by Maverick-Rubik
JCD wrote:I figured as I saw this that I have tried something like this this year:
Between Earth and Spirit
x2

This is my best no-effects nom this year. 8-)

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 4:12 pm
by JCD
I ended up not nominating anything for this category... It's too similar to Best use of simplicity and I saw myself nominating almost the same videos for both categories.

Besides I have difficulties considering / recognizing something as an effect if I'm not the video's creator and don't know the anime. On top of that it's kinda ridiculuos in my opinion to nail it on the fact that there shouldn't be one single effect. For the rest we have the simpicity category.

So I figured the best option for me is not to nominate / vote for anything :)

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 9:10 pm
by Bakadeshi [AuN Studios]
yea I beleive they should have kept only the simplicity one and x'd the no effects one also.

they are too similar.

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 9:30 pm
by Tono_Fyr
There is a difference. For example, some people use effects that are simple, but are just enough to kick you away from no effects. Use of simplicity is the use of effects in a minimalistic way, rather than being no effects at all.

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 9:36 pm
by Bakadeshi [AuN Studios]
Tono_Fyr wrote:There is a difference. For example, some people use effects that are simple, but are just enough to kick you away from no effects. Use of simplicity is the use of effects in a minimalistic way, rather than being no effects at all.


I know theres a diference, but I don't think its enough to warant to seperate categories for a contest as large a scale as this. Both types can compete fairly under Simpicity, wich is why I opped for that one over No Effects. Frankly I have no video in mind I would nominate under No effects that I would'nt also nominate under Best Simplicity.

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 10:08 pm
by krzT
Bakadeshi [AuN Studios] wrote:
Tono_Fyr wrote:There is a difference. For example, some people use effects that are simple, but are just enough to kick you away from no effects. Use of simplicity is the use of effects in a minimalistic way, rather than being no effects at all.


I know theres a diference, but I don't think its enough to warant to seperate categories for a contest as large a scale as this. Both types can compete fairly under Simpicity, wich is why I opped for that one over No Effects. Frankly I have no video in mind I would nominate under No effects that I would'nt also nominate under Best Simplicity.
I agree. Jasper-Isis and I were discussing this when the nominations first went up. I really don't see why "Best No-Effects" videos couldn't work in the "Best Simplicity" category. :shrug:
That's just my two cents :)

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 10:45 pm
by pen-pen2002
I agree, even if you do know the anime it's too hard to distinguish between them. What counts as an effect? What about a white/black flash? What about zoomed in footage? Speed changes?

Best simplistic video says it all.

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 11:04 pm
by [ZeaL]
Well, there ARE two seperate categories, so why dwell on it? One more person gets to be recognized by their peers for making an AMV that people enjoyed. Is that a problem? I don't think it is. Let's stop debating that which we cannot change (the existence of the category), and return to discussing that which is relevant (what is the definition of 'no effects' you're using when nominating? what video do you want to pimp for this category?)