Project Gateway

[CrackTheSky]

Bauzi:

Timing on the piano keys is perfect. I personally pretty much hate piano keys though (it's such an uncreative effect), and these are boring. If you absolutely MUST use the piano key effect, at LEAST change the colors of each key so that it's a bit more interesting to watch.

The clips in the background are also very boring. There needs to be more going on, I feel like, especially given the pace of the song at this point. Obviously, if you're gonna keep the piano key effect you don't need to sync up the background scenes with specific beats, but there should be much more motion. Also, the background scenes are kinda...sad :/

[Bauzi]

To the background clips: No. I really don´t want to change it. I want to keep this small story in it. It´s not a sad story. It´s one with an happy end! Let me keep it. I love this short story from GetBackers. From the beginning on I wanted it in this MEP T_T

Maybe the colours let it look sad right now. I change them to brighter stuff in the end for sure.

Please understand me. This scences are a kind of a must for me. Also I already gave Greg the scenes for his part.

and these are boring. If you absolutely MUST use the piano key effect, at LEAST change the colors of each key so that it's a bit more interesting to watch.

I want to suggest you to watch "Bauzi-Beta-04-A.mp4" again. I don´t know how it will look like in the end product. Maybe I will add some slight colours, but: Again. This beta is just about timing. Of course I know that the solids look god damn lame xD
See: After the syncing thing is fine, I take the sequence from Premiere with all the bloody solids and import it in AE. Than I make the fx stuff and the colour changes of the background and I´m done with work.

it's such an uncreative effect

It is today that´s why I make this glass looking stuff in the end.

Ok do you want me to first make the colour changes of the background scenes for you? No problem. It´s better to discuss this now and let´s see if you´re happy with them.

[Greggus1]

Watching the beta gave me some ideas:

-So first of all, I think the scene you want can work. The shots of the girl can be really cool, if you make the stuff around it more exciting. I see four ways to do this:

1) Make the transitions in the background between shots more exciting than hard cuts, if you know what I mean. Maybe pulsating on each cut? Something.

2) Cut more often. Still cut on the beats, but cut a lot more in between.

3) Intersperse the slow moving shots of the girl with more dynamic camera angled shots.

4) This ties in with 3 a lot. Your base story has potential, but you can make it more interesting, by showing what the girl dreams of. Do the Gateway thing! Have her access other worlds in her dreams! That would be awesome.

You don't need to do all four of these, but try them out. 4) seems really essential to me.

As for the piano keys, I liked how they looked in that earlier beta as glass, so I'll trust you on that.

[Kariudo]

Sorry Bauzi, I'm gonna have to agree with Ben on the background clips.
there's just not enough movement for that part of the song.

You go back and forth between the sewing scene a few times, you could take out a few of the clips from :03-:05 and replace them with the clips from :00-:03 and put a few clips of the two main characters running around to fill the gap. It would bring up the pace and you'd still get to have the little side story.

maybe instead of piano keys you could do raindrops like in the Chrono Crusade ed?
just throwing out another idea.

[Greggus1]

Watching the beta gave me some ideas:

-So first of all, I think the scene you want can work. The shots of the girl can be really cool, if you make the stuff around it more exciting. I see four ways to do this:

1) Make the transitions in the background between shots more exciting than hard cuts, if you know what I mean. Maybe pulsating on each cut? Something.

2) Cut more often. Still cut on the beats, but cut a lot more in between.

3) Intersperse the slow moving shots of the girl with more dynamic camera angled shots.

4) This ties in with 3 a lot. Your base story has potential, but you can make it more interesting, by showing what the girl dreams of. Do the Gateway thing! Have her access other worlds in her dreams! That would be awesome.

You don't need to do all four of these, but try them out. 4) seems really essential to me.

As for the piano keys, I liked how they looked in that earlier beta as glass, so I'll trust you on that.

x2s himself for great justice

[CrackTheSky]

4) This ties in with 3 a lot. Your base story has potential, but you can make it more interesting, by showing what the girl dreams of. Do the Gateway thing! Have her access other worlds in her dreams! That would be awesome.

Potentially epic idea.

[Bauzi]

Oh my dear solo projects... How much I love you =/


Let´s discuss Greg´s stuff:

1) Alright. I wasn´t sure if some scenes were too short for transitions. It maybe works. Let´s see how much they give the background.

Maybe pulsating on each cut?

Woot? I´ve not really an idea what you exactly mean. Do you mean blur-zoom combos as transitions like I did in Different Realities?

2)

2) Cut more often. Still cut on the beats, but cut a lot more in between.

I timed some special beats from the drums if you can hear them out. If I would time random beats it maybe would look crazy.

3) This is kind of perfedic for me. Sry. Imagine the piano keys with the glass effect and the grid on them, ok? Do you have the picture in your mind now? They´re pretty static. So if I would move the background camera with angled shots it would screw up the piano key stuff. In my imagination it sucks.

Now the stuff with dynamic keys and background. Same effect with the camera. You would get sick, like after playing Prey for 12 hours, of this crazy stripes with theire different angles (again: in my imagination). I test this method with this beta.

4)

by showing what the girl dreams of. Do the Gateway thing! Have her access other worlds in her dreams!

I don´t see that this ties with #3. If I would let her acess different worlds it´s not HER story anymore. (just a far away interpretation: ) Or should I place the scenes on a different background? wtf? why for?

See: She has this little keybound from her mother. Her mother was very sick and before she died she made this one for daughter and her memorys about her mother. One day she "losses" (watch ep1 from GetBackers for details. I want to spare you details) and comes to the GetBackers. She wants them to steal it back.
However... This keybound has a great symbolic value for her.

I can place her into different worlds and animes. No problem on that, but it´s just not enough time in my eyes for such scenes. Or when I place the scenes on different areas, it doesn´t seam to be the same again.

Kariudo´s stuff:

there's just not enough movement for that part of the song.

Motion? Ok. Why not, but it´s hard to get it. Maybe threw Nostromo zooms and Greg´s transition suggestion. This might be enough.

My fear is that it gets too overloaded with motion, sync and effects. I´m pretty much happy as I imagine it now. Nostromo Zooms or slight Greg´s camera angle something might work. A try wouldn´t be bad at all.

You go back and forth between the sewing scene a few times, you could take out a few of the clips from :03-:05 and replace them with the clips from :00-:03 and put a few clips of the two main characters running around to fill the gap.

help... the more often I watch it, the more I like it. I don´t want scene changes ;_;
I like the sewing scenes. The motion of her hand fits with the music and flow (that´s at least what I tried)! Oh come on... Really people. I don´t want to change it. My taste can´t be that bad.
God. Maybe I´m too egocentric, but hell I´m so happy with the scenes (better said selection and placement) as they are now.
Yeah the critic can´t take critic about his stuff blah blah. If you maybe think that, I can just say: I´m not a bitch at all and don´t drop my style for everybody. It´s about standing my own ground. No offense. No affectation.

Ok I try this camera motion angle Nostromo whatever alternative first before I make scene changes. Is that ok for you all?

maybe instead of piano keys you could do raindrops like in the Chrono Crusade ed?
just throwing out another idea.

Yeah maybe next time. Let´s stay with the piano keys for this one.

[Greggus1]

You could keep the story, and still have her access different worlds in her dreams, I think. Another idea is her dreaming of the Getbacker dude. The main point really is that she's sleeping, and when you see that many times, you wanna know what's in her mind.

I was thinking another potentially sick thing would be having another scene reflected in the glass piano keys. Then, on the big beats, you switch around the background and glass scenes. Was that understandable?

I'm sure you'll pull out of this fine. I don't resent at all you defending your choices

[Bauzi]

Wait. Now I have a good idea. Let´s don´t make her dreaming, but Ban (the dude at the beginnig) does dream about her.
This would create a link between the two characters (I had a problem with that. The two are not really linked together).
To make a scene about a dream isn´t hard. Just an oval "shadow" over the whole stuff and that´s it.
This way I´m more a friend of this alternative scene background stuff.

I was thinking another potentially sick thing would be having another scene reflected in the glass piano keys.

The reflecting scenes: Puh. I can´t say now. The images of the reflections might be too scattered, because of the current position of the solids. Might be too confusing and too much information for the viewer.

Then, on the big beats, you switch around the background and glass scenes. Was that understandable?

If you mean the beats were I changed the scenes than I understand it. For now I would like to keep the grid/glass stuff.

[CrackTheSky]

[18:09] vgfantasy8: u will hav a beta done by the end of the week
[18:09] vgfantasy8: my jedi mind powers say so
[18:09] wayAway2419: o_O
[18:09] wayAway2419: No way in hell
[18:09] vgfantasy8: =|
[18:09] vgfantasy8: reminds me, any news on det?

Det? You thar?