Redona by Oro$hi

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To be honest, I believe there's a huge difference. Anime as a source is something that needs polishing

polishing? Does that make FF:AC, 5cm per second vids or Shinkai animes in general seam to be a less legit source for amvs?

Just wanted to say that.

Oh and we are the Remix Culture. Mixing together already existing sources and creating something new is our hobby. It doesn't matter where it comes from.

I think what CF meant is that the source was already created with the idea in mind to be used with music and has all kinds of pretty animation and uses for sync. That doesn't mean other sources wont have those things but they were not created specifically for a visual experience set to music. Take Yogurting as another example... They can be used very easily for almost any music source without much if any work. An actual anime source could use some more "polishing" to get your visual representation of the music across. CF can correct me if I'm wrong of course.

Would you change your opinion in regards to a painting if you found out the coloring was done by a company instead of the sketcher? The painting is what it is just like this amv is what it is, otherwise now your being biased.

I couldn't phrase it any better. I just think of anime and music videos as different forms of visual expression and both are created with a different mindset. That is why both sources represent different value when it comes to creating stuff out of them (like an AMV). We usually don't find such a cool stylization in anime as we can find in music videos. You have to create those things from the scratch. Animation in music videos is all about the music like Eva-Fan said and well, you can't say that about anime.

Shinkai animes got stunning animation. But music videos (good music videos) are something more then just about well, looking good in a more graphic way.

I don't care what sources were used to create an AMV but that doesn't mean I have to treat those equally.

And to end this. The final result (an AMV in this case) is another story. I just wanted to compare sources. Since I ended up writing all in off-topic mode if someone wants to continue this debate (and I hope no one wants to) pm me or just make a different thread.

[Bauzi]

Yes it's exagerrating, but honestly: A lot of animes were simply made for amvs. Reigna said it in a TYHMG podcast:
(something like) "FF:AC is so easy to use for amvs. Every scene already looks beautiful and ready to use"

Let's take the amv Amor:
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... p?v=163215

As far as I know it's made of the ending credits of the ef-Game with not to little editing. I'm sorry Koop if I got the idea wrong, but I think it was supposed to show how ridiclously easy a solid amv can be made with this source. Showing how easy it is (without wanting to offend Shinkai vids in general?).

We usually don't find such a cool stylization in anime as we can find in music videos

but we do! again: Shinkai animes. It's the reason why so some animes are so often used in amvs, because they obviously give us more visual substance for a good video. I don't want to automaticly discredit the story of those animes, but I'm very sure that there is a connection between style of an anime and how often it get used.

Nostromo: Took some anime scenes without even watching the animes for his vids.
Me: Watches an anime I don't even liked until episode 7, because I scouted it for new scenes for a video.
...

Just because something is more easy to use or had a completly different use and audience in it's original form, doesn't mean that a new creation out of it is more worthy. (exagerating again:) That's like I wouldn't use a video source, because the elitsts I try to impress call it nooby. (I don't say that you're an eltist, okay?)

Since I ended up writing all in off-topic mode if someone wants to continue this debate (and I hope no one wants to) pm me or just make a different thread.

and than I read this... Okay let's make a thread out of it, because this is highly ineresting.

[Lirinis]

My reaction will be positive as long as the new creator doesn't claim that he made all the stuff by himself.

"New creator" in our case didn't mention his main source anywhere until somebody else gave us the link. And this source was another music video... That's on the edge. Don't ever try to cheat us!

I liked the final result, though.

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Yes it's exagerrating, but honestly: A lot of animes were simply made for amvs. Reigna said it in a TYHMG podcast:
(something like) "FF:AC is so easy to use for amvs. Every scene already looks beautiful and ready to use"

Let's take the amv Amor:
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... p?v=163215

As far as I know it's made of the ending credits of the ef-Game with not to little editing. I'm sorry Koop if I got the idea wrong, but I think it was supposed to show how ridiclously easy a solid amv can be made with this source. Showing how easy it is (without wanting to offend Shinkai vids in general?).

We usually don't find such a cool stylization in anime as we can find in music videos

but we do! again: Shinkai animes. It's the reason why so some animes are so often used in amvs, because they obviously give us more visual substance for a good video. I don't want to automaticly discredit the story of those animes, but I'm very sure that there is a connection between style of an anime and how often it get used.

Nostromo: Took some anime scenes without even watching the animes for his vids.
Me: Watches an anime I don't even liked until episode 7, because I scouted it for new scenes for a video.
...

Just because something is more easy to use or had a completly different use and audience in it's original form, doesn't mean that a new creation out of it is more worthy. (exagerating again:) That's like I wouldn't use a video source, because the elitsts I try to impress call it nooby. (I don't say that you're an eltist, okay?)

Since I ended up writing all in off-topic mode if someone wants to continue this debate (and I hope no one wants to) pm me or just make a different thread.

and than I read this... Okay let's make a thread out of it, because this is highly ineresting.

Ok. Forget about that thread. There were more tons of spam-like messages in announcement forum then anywhere else here on org (ok, maybe MEP forum) and we are fairly on topic.

I think I see were the difference in our opinions comes from.
And it's this little sentence:

Yes it's exagerrating, but honestly: A lot of animes were simply made for amvs.

I'm not sure what you mean by "a lot". I believe an average anime doesn't have the starting value for editing in eyes of an AMV editor that an average animated music video has. Actually, I though this was obvious and normal. I mean, both things are created for different usage.

Why do Shinkai animes or Ef, FF:AC being used so much ?

Because they are awesome AMV material. And because they are unique on a scale of anime world. That's why they are used so much. They are easier to manipulate than any other anime.
But the same things goes for music videos. The difference is that I believe majority of animated music video footage is easier to manipulate. So the proportions of things are opposite when compared animated music video footage to anime. The source, something that gives life to animation for a music video is music. An animated footage is created because someone created some kind of a song in the first place. That's why animated footage in music videos is candy in our eyes. Only some anime reach that candy-for-the-eye level.

So somebody will ask, if animated music video footage is so easy to use why does so little people actually reach for it ?
I think it's mainly because in the end the things we create are anime music videos. So for obvious reasons that's gonna be our main source. Animated music video might be one of our sources.

And of course only a nooby editor will call another editor nooby cos someone used a source that is being overused because of above reasons.

[mirkosp]

My reaction will be positive as long as the new creator doesn't claim that he made all the stuff by himself.

"New creator" in our case didn't mention his main source anywhere until somebody else gave us the link. And this source was another music video... That's on the edge. Don't ever try to cheat us!

I liked the final result, though.

From what I understand, he missed some sources that he didn't find listed. He then tried to list them, but since the org doesn't allow to add already listed sources at that point, to my understanding, he mailed the admin account to ask for the source to be added to the list. I don't have access to the admin account so I can't be sure, however, I'm sure he'll request the anime add now that the voice is in the database.

[oro$hi]

Can't find Atarashi Sekai at all in the database! Not as confirmed, nor as unconfirmed.
Will try to add it myself now.

EDIT: my tools don't allow me to unless I make a new amv entry to list a new anime through that...

EDIT2: Had to use a sort of workaround, but entry is now there.
You can now request "Atarashii Sekai (PV)" to be added to your sources through this.

thank youuu mirkosp, with this way i can add the anime now

From what I understand, he missed some sources that he didn't find listed. He then tried to list them, but since the org doesn't allow to add already listed sources at that point, to my understanding, he mailed the admin account to ask for the source to be added to the list. I don't have access to the admin account so I can't be sure, however, I'm sure he'll request the anime add now that the voice is in the database.

you understand everythings thank you so much brother ^^

[Bauzi]

Yes it's exagerrating, but honestly: A lot of animes LIKE THEY were simply made for amvs.

AH! My bad. Fixed.

So somebody will ask, if animated music video footage is so easy to use why does so little people actually reach for it ?
I think it's mainly because in the end the things we create are anime music videos. So for obvious reasons that's gonna be our main source. Animated music video might be one of our sources.

Maybe because some of us simply don't know such videos. I hardly know anime that was created for a music video. I'm just not that much of an otaku.

The difference is that I believe majority of animated music video footage is easier to manipulate.

I don't think it's easier. It really depends on how the video is cut and paced.

Only some anime reach that candy-for-the-eye level.

Okay I agree here. The level of animation in a music video can be way higher than in an anime, because it's only for a short time compared to a whole series.

[Lirinis]

From what I understand, he missed some sources that he didn't find listed. He then tried to list them, but since the org doesn't allow to add already listed sources at that point, to my understanding, he mailed the admin account to ask for the source to be added to the list. I don't have access to the admin account so I can't be sure, however, I'm sure he'll request the anime add now that the voice is in the database.

He could easily drop a line in the comments or in his forum posts.
Ah, it's pointless bitching that only explains why some viewers can feel disappointed and deceived and say harsh things . It's like viewing Nostromo's making ofs.

[Mol]

For me personally it's even more enjoyable after seeing this short anime clip,why? Now i can see clearer how well those scenes were used here

tho i was hoping that his face had masks from various anime a bit xd