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Post by otbwavelength » Sat May 06, 2006 3:43 am

NMEisMIA wrote:That opinion I gave was actually very honest. The video I reviewed was poorly made, used downloaded footage and was a complete rip off of a well known video.
LOL complete rip off of a well known video? what video? i've watched every single prince of tennis video ever made on this site, and NONE of them with the exception of the one using Moondance are even EQUAL with the amount of editing i put into that.

And as for the mimicing of a video, you find me any video that even comes close to that storyline i used, i'd really love to hear what video you're talking about. :D of course you're probably just talking shit but yeah.

BTW, considering the total number of hits or opinions on your videos isn't even close to just one of mine, you really shouldn't be talking about my video sucking. :O

also, of course it used downloaded footage, i'm not gonna pay over 500 dollars to make a single AMV.

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Post by Prodigi » Sat May 06, 2006 3:47 am

otbwavelength wrote:BTW, considering the total number of hits or opinions on your videos isn't even close to just one of mine, you really shouldn't be talking about my video sucking. :O
the phrase: "COMPLETE AND UTTER JACKASS" comes to mind about now. What, because you have more hits you must be superior? Take a fucking hike.
otbwavelength wrote:also, of course it used downloaded footage, i'm not gonna pay over 500 dollars to make a single AMV.
You will find this is in violation of the rules laid down by Phade for this site:
Phade in the AMV rules wrote:"2. Thou shalt not use downloaded video footage to make AMVs."

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Post by Jebadia » Sat May 06, 2006 4:37 am

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otbwavelength wrote:BTW, considering the total number of hits or opinions on your videos isn't even close to just one of mine, you really shouldn't be talking about my video sucking. :O
the phrase: "COMPLETE AND UTTER JACKASS" comes to mind about now. What, because you have more hits you must be superior? Take a fucking hike.
otbwavelength wrote:also, of course it used downloaded footage, i'm not gonna pay over 500 dollars to make a single AMV.
You will find this is in violation of the rules laid down by Phade for this site:
Phade in the AMV rules wrote:"2. Thou shalt not use downloaded video footage to make AMVs."
Also very bad ethics to use downloaded footage...and if you do...at least download the dvd's goddamn.
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Post by otbwavelength » Sat May 06, 2006 4:54 am

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otbwavelength wrote:BTW, considering the total number of hits or opinions on your videos isn't even close to just one of mine, you really shouldn't be talking about my video sucking. :O
the phrase: "COMPLETE AND UTTER JACKASS" comes to mind about now. What, because you have more hits you must be superior? Take a fucking hike.
otbwavelength wrote:also, of course it used downloaded footage, i'm not gonna pay over 500 dollars to make a single AMV.
You will find this is in violation of the rules laid down by Phade for this site:
Phade in the AMV rules wrote:"2. Thou shalt not use downloaded video footage to make AMVs."
you do realize that 99% of the amv's on this site break that downloaded video rule right?

also, you were playing the same role in the chat room earlier. "I only need to watch one episode of a series to get the gist of it". talk about high and mighty, gj denying yourself and the creator of the series any reasonable amount of time to get to know it.

Also, really, on the topic of "good" videos, i really don't want to hear from you either. All you had to offer were really skewed opinions, and seeing what videos you've made, mostly being linkin park/generic music with generic anime, you really have no right to talk any shit about using this anime like you did in the chat room, not to mention the video.

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Post by Prodigi » Sat May 06, 2006 5:05 am

otbwavelength wrote:also, you were playing the same role in the chat room earlier. "I only need to watch one episode of a series to get the gist of it". talk about high and mighty, gj denying yourself and the creator of the series any reasonable amount of time to get to know it.
yes, i did say that. You see, i call it buying a dvd of a series (usually 2-4th dvd) and if i enjoy it, i get the rest of the series. And on the very occasion i have downloaded an anime series (a whole one time), i have still bought the dvds later.
otbwavelength wrote:Also, really, on the topic of "good" videos, i really don't want to hear from you either. All you had to offer were really skewed opinions, and seeing what videos you've made, mostly being linkin park/generic music with generic anime, you really have no right to talk any shit about using this anime like you did in the chat room, not to mention the video.
I've used 3 generic songs. A Linkin Park song (from Reanimation, which is used much less), an Evanescence song, and an Offspring song. Wow, that's amazing. I've also used Sigur Ros and Mushroom head, which have much fewer videos used to them. What the hell does a generic source have to do with the quality of a video? I pick a source i like, and a song i like.

You are so right. I should make myself better by using a really unnused source, because that will just make my video fantastic. Oh, i know what else i can do to improve it. I can download the footage. Yeh, because i'm a cheap arse. Oh, oh, oh, then i can use really bad blur effects on the beats. Oh oh oh, and then i'll complain whenever somone gives me an opinion i don't like, and completely ignore people who give me honest opinions. Then i'll start accusing other people's videos of being crap because they have few hits. Finally i'll finish up by telling someone else their videos suck because they have occasionally used some generic sources. Yeh, my video would bound to to be the best thing ever then. Oh wait, and then i can write a 10 page useless video description that is supposed to tell the story because i'm too completely and utterly useless to be able to express it in a video. Yeh, now i'm sure to be fantastic.

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Post by Ileia » Sat May 06, 2006 5:29 am

otbwavelength wrote:you do realize that 99% of the amv's on this site break that downloaded video rule right?
I find it extremely hard to believe that only about 600 videos use DVD footage, especially considering the guide right on the site on how to use it. Yeah, alot of them do, but not quite THAT many.
Also, really, on the topic of "good" videos, i really don't want to hear from you either.
See, but when you put your videos online, this is what happens. People tell you what they think. You can't just say, "I don't want to hear from you" and leave it like that, the internet doesn't really work that way. Especially after bumping your thread numerous times trying to get some feedback. (Which, there are MANY MANY videos on this site, it takes awhile to get some attention, and we all want feedback on our videos, just try to be a little more patient.)

As for the video itself, I would not go so far as to say that it's bad (the sync's quite good), so much as it lacked something to keep the viewer interested. The continual serving got quite repetitive, bla bla, I'm not gonna repeat myself, I left the rest of my comments in an opinion.
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Post by otbwavelength » Sat May 06, 2006 5:37 am

I've used 3 generic songs. A Linkin Park song (from Reanimation, which is used much less), an Evanescence song, and an Offspring song. Wow, that's amazing. I've also used Sigur Ros and Mushroom head, which have much fewer videos used to them. What the hell does a generic source have to do with the quality of a video? I pick a source i like, and a song i like.
you forgot mad world.
generic songs everyone does, i believe you critiqued me for using a song i liked in the chat? hypocritical again.
You are so right. I should make myself better by using a really unnused source, because that will just make my video fantastic.
I said that? I said that using generic sources makes the video generic.
Oh, i know what else i can do to improve it. I can download the footage. Yeh, because i'm a cheap arse.
Going to college does kinda take the money outta ya. Sorry that I can't be "arsed" to just drop out of college to make an AMV. :O
Oh, oh, oh, then i can use really bad blur effects on the beats.
Any other suggestions of what to use? It's a little film technique you learn called "not overpowering the video", or in other words, fitting the effects with the music. The points where I used the blur effects were low-key in the music, so I used low key effects.

During a slow drama scene in a movie, do you see shit going insane with effects? No, you see maybe a few small effects at most.
Oh oh oh, and then i'll complain whenever somone gives me an opinion i don't like, and completely ignore people who give me honest opinions.
I did? That's funny because I featured an opinion that basically trashes my video as one of the two opinions you can view on my videos.

Also, I ignored your opinion for two reasons:

1) you DIRECTLY said that storyline should be evident in a video without having to read the description. That alone made you completely not even worth my time.

in ANY form of media, whether it's books, or movies, or music, or whatever, you have to READ about it first to GET the point of it. 90% of music has some sort of hidden point behind the lyrics, a meaning that isn't obvious at the beginning of the song and usually never is unless you research about it from what the band's talked about it.

So, were you to say, listen to a song called Walkie Talkie, from a music video game some of you have probably played called DDR, you might assume due to it's lyrics that it's just some random crap and pass it off.

However if you actually RESEARCHED the song you would realize that the song is actually about getting turned on and erections. Funny huh? Had you actually read the things I did to the video, I would value your opinion, negative or positive.

2) You said that my video did not have "obvious" storyline. Really, how you can't pick up that Ryoma is growing up through his tennis matches, added to the lyrics (from a song you're obviously familiar from according to the chat) is beyond me.

Even with that though, you quoted "Whisper of the Beast" to be an AMV that had a great storyline to it without having to read the information.

That AMV is in *german* and thus lyrics are out the window right off the get-go to 99% of us. Second, that AMV only takes *a few* episodes, goes crazy on adobe after-effects, and remixes those episodes. Fair enough, that video is kick ass, i'll admit, but definitely not for it's storyline, but for it's effects and technical abilities.

Had you actually read the information on my video AGAIN, you would realize that I remixed the entire SERIES of prince of tennis, not just a few episodes, so your point about not having storyline or not having technical ability is moot right there.

The fact is, you're just biased against this series to begin with, saying that it's "dbz with tennis", and in fact, even after I explained to you that the series is actually quite realistic at the start, you 100% failed to even open your mind to this concept, proving again that you are hypocritical and totally unwilling to listen to critique about yourself whatsoever.

You say you've watched the series, yet you wont' say how many episodes, and considering what you call "watching" a series, i'd bet it would be some random episode in the middle.

Of course there will be people who don't like this series, and that's fine. But to just watch it and immediately hate it because of the series that it is, without even giving it a chance, when you haven't even SEEN the series barely at all, is just stupidity.

And before you say "oh well you said naruto and linkin park and such is generic" I say that because THEY ARE. Everyone in that chat knew about how Whisper of The Beast remixes those episodes because THEY'VE ALL known the plot of Naruto for years, and you said you haven't seen an episode, which I honestly think is complete bullshit, but whatever, I know you still must know the storyline if *you didn't read the info about the AMV yet watched it*, otherwise you'd have no idea that the episodes were remixed....

which is EXACTLY what happened with mine. You hadn't watched the series so you had no idea the episodes were remixed, not to mention you obviously have a bias against tennis/PoT in general, so that's why I didn't take your opinion seriously, however Ileia I did take seriously, which is why her opinion is up on my page, because she still wrote out an opinion and said to me that she admits she did not read the information, and realized that was a *bad* thing to do.
Then i'll start accusing other people's videos of being crap because they have few hits.
Well, considering that a video made almost a year ago has only about 100 hits, and said person is accusing me of making bad videos, that would be quite hypocritical of him, wouldn't it? results matter, whether you like it or not. If the video wasn't crap, wouldn't it have more hits than just 100 over a year span?
Finally i'll finish up by telling someone else their videos suck because they have occasionally used some generic sources.
Again, did I say they sucked? I said you really shouldn't be talking trash about my videos if all you've got for creative originality in song or anime choice is just stuff that everyone else and their mother has used, but some of those videos have been good, as is the example with a hunter x hunter video that's at the top of my favorites, using a Good Charlotte song.
Yeh, my video would bound to to be the best thing ever then. Oh wait, and then i can write a 10 page useless video description that is supposed to tell the story because i'm too completely and utterly useless to be able to express it in a video.
Actually, according to a good 40 or so other people whom i've never even met in real life, so they have no bias towards me, I told the story perfectly, even without having any prior information on the subject.

Of course they didn't get the little nuances and such that only a fan of the series would get, but they still understood the general plot line being shown and how the lyrics matched up to the scenes.

Really, you said you knew that song, so how could you not see the obvious lyric matches? You're just horrible at seeing implied things, is all there is to it.

If you can't link "your hard times are ahead" to Ryoma getting hit in the face with a tennis ball or getting burned on the side of the face, or if you can't link "change everything you are" to Ryoma's tennis style evolving, or "your last chance has arrived" to getting on a plane and leaving the country, all scenes in the video, then really, I don't know what to tell you.

do I need to get a gigantic marker in the video and write LOL RYOMA IS HITTING A TENNIS BALL for you? :O

anyways thanks for letting me pretty much annhilate your post, i've got a road trip tomorrow at 2, i'll check by and if you wanna post again be my guest, i'll break it down like this again, hypocrite :D have fun.

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Yeh, now i'm sure to be fantastic.
Yeh, nice try at sarcasm.

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Post by otbwavelength » Sat May 06, 2006 5:44 am

aielI_Ileia wrote:
otbwavelength wrote:you do realize that 99% of the amv's on this site break that downloaded video rule right?
I find it extremely hard to believe that only about 600 videos use DVD footage, especially considering the guide right on the site on how to use it. Yeah, alot of them do, but not quite THAT many.
Also, really, on the topic of "good" videos, i really don't want to hear from you either.
See, but when you put your videos online, this is what happens. People tell you what they think. You can't just say, "I don't want to hear from you" and leave it like that, the internet doesn't really work that way. Especially after bumping your thread numerous times trying to get some feedback. (Which, there are MANY MANY videos on this site, it takes awhile to get some attention, and we all want feedback on our videos, just try to be a little more patient.)

As for the video itself, I would not go so far as to say that it's bad (the sync's quite good), so much as it lacked something to keep the viewer interested. The continual serving got quite repetitive, bla bla, I'm not gonna repeat myself, I left the rest of my comments in an opinion.
Now, this is an opinion that is actually GOOD.

You gave points as to why the video sucked, not just mindless sarcasm and such as prodigi did, and you actually pointed out constructive critique, not just "lol tennis is gay" as prodigi repeatedly did in the chat room.

I didn't mean to bump the thread, I just wanted to get that other information in the first post but could not edit or close the thread, so I did what I did.

When I submitted my first video here, it was a Naruto video 2 years ago, and it got around 10 posts within the first two hours, so that's why I was assuming that prince of tennis was a hated series around here or something, so I was putting that to be the reason why the post was getting no new replies.

I'll admit, yeah, if you hate tennis or something, or if you don't like prince of tennis at all, the repetitive serving can get annoying.

However, you have to realize, that what I set out to do here were two things:

1) make an action AMV to prince of tennis with scenes that matched the lyrics and matched the song, something which has only been done on this entire site by one other video, and said video had no lyrics (prince of tennis videos, I mean), so it could only have great action sync.

2) make a prince of tennis AMV that was not about yaoi, to show people that in fact, there is good, solid animation and tennis matches (with ACCURATE physiology in the drawings for the most part) under all of the implied homosexuality that sadly, the series is so famous for, instead of it's actual solid storyline.

I realize that if you take both of those goals out, the AMV is not that amazing, and I also did this as more of a test thing to myself to see if I could pair this series with varied animation, JUST about tennis, to this extremely instrumental/varied in lyrics and rhythm song, and in that, I do think I succeeded with the action sync and lyric matching, at the very least.

However as I said i'll admit, it's not my best work, and it's far from the best work on the site, but I really hate critique when it's just mindless bashing and such, so that's why I get this way.

I love critique otherwise like what you gave me, and I don't mind that at all; i featured your opinion as one of the two you can feature on my AMV for opinions being showed.

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Post by Prodigi » Sat May 06, 2006 5:47 am

Yeh, maybe my videos are a little generic. I'm really gonna lose sleep over it. But at least i'm happy enough with my videos the way they are that i don't have to demand opinions from people. At least i don't bump my thread 4 times and then when noone still pays attention go into the #amv chatroom just to pimp my goddam video like a whiney bitch just because he thinks people don't like it because of the source. If people don't like it because of the sources that's their own goddam fucking choice. Grow up. If they don't like the source, you don't have to fucking heckle them until they give in and watch your video - which is in essence what you did in #amv. Deflate the ego, and grow a fucking brain. People don't have to love your work. I love my amvs - that, and the fact that one other particular person likes them, is all that matters to me. You are one of these whiney bitches who have to have everyone's attention, and make videos to try and impress other people. Well guess what, you have impressed me. With you're goddam fucking stupidity and egotistical mind games. Come back when you've learned to act like more than a 2 year old.

And by doing another quick search i was able to find that your announcement thread for your previous video was identical to this one: people giving their opinion and you having a bitch. You trying to defend the story of the video saying "but read the video info and you'll understand". And of course, your ever popular bumping of the thread by 'accidently' forgetting to write in some information :roll: you think after that thread you might have remembered the lack of an edit button and at least TRIED to get everything right the first time. 10 posts in the first hour? how many of those were yours?
however Ileia I did take seriously, which is why her opinion is up on my page, because she still wrote out an opinion and said to me that she admits she did not read the information, and realized that was a *bad* thing to do.
Ileia said no such thing. I even discussed it with her. She never once said that it was a bad idea not reading the info. From what i recall she agreed with my point of a video needing to tell its own story without 10 pages of crap to do it for the viewer.

Oh yes, and i never did say tennis sucked ;) i've actually played tennis quite a bit when i was younger, and enjoyed it quite a lot.

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Post by Ileia » Sat May 06, 2006 5:55 am

Prodigi wrote:
however Ileia I did take seriously, which is why her opinion is up on my page, because she still wrote out an opinion and said to me that she admits she did not read the information, and realized that was a *bad* thing to do.
Ileia said no such thing. I even discussed it with her. She never once said that it was a bad idea not reading the info. From what i recall she agreed with my point of a video needing to tell its own story without 10 pages of crap to do it for the viewer.

I prefer to let the creator impress me with their editing and story-telling than their writing ability. I understand that some videos just need to be explained. I have a few like that myself. But, then I have to understand that it lessens the quality of the video if people "don't get it". (Even if it's a video close to your heart)

And for the record: Badminton > Tennis >_>
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