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Post by Corran » Sat Jul 03, 2004 7:37 pm

SnhKnives wrote:the uploading mainly relys on the honor system. the PHP cannot stop you from uploading those types of videos, but if you would like to point some of those videos out to a mod, he/she would glady remove them, if they are uploaded locally. :)
Actually you can't upload them anymore if they are non-anime only. The fact that there are non-anime only videos that have local downloads results from the fact that they were uploaded before this limitation went into effect.

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Post by bubblehead » Sat Jul 03, 2004 7:47 pm

And if you DO list non-anime videos in the database but don't upload them locally, you will not be allowed to participate in the viewer's choice awards here.

I guess there just isn't a system to prevent such videos from being listed, and as there are many, many videos listed, it would be very difficult to police it manually.

...and most anime fans seem to classify American anime-style shows as non-anime.
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Post by obsidian_blk » Sat Jul 03, 2004 8:23 pm

bubblehead wrote: ...and most anime fans seem to classify American anime-style shows as non-anime.

Just a quick mention to your remark, bubblehead (and please note, this is just a remark and NOT a direct attack on you personally, by any definition). As true as that may be, does anyone reading this topic not find this fact descrimitory? Hypothetically, you have a devoted anime fan... watches hundreds of shows, knows all the directors, artists, musicians, etc, by heart, so to speak... and this fan, in his/her love of the style, spends hours, days, months and perhaps even years working to create a short, anime based short AMV using artwork they themselves hand drew and colored... and this fan would be turned away and shuned by the group purely because this person isn't from japan? If this is true... if the people here do do this... I have two things to say
1) I'm truely sorry for that fan and I cry for you
2) If you are one of the ones who shun this person on that one reason, you are, in my opinion, a very sad and pethetic person, forgive me.

Back to the source descussion. I brought up these points not just because I have seen non-anime AMVs on this site, but, there is a AMV I myself am attempting to upload and the source is not listed. When I attempted to list it, the little "how-to" section of the site lists examples on how to do so (obviously). Amoung those examples was "Batman" (which was my reason for using that as my original example) and "Deus Ex" (which is an American based PC game).

Those were examples given to me by the people who wrote this site, and yet, as I'm understanding it from those of you nice enough to respond to my posts here, these sources are not allowed. If they are not allowed, why are they being given as examples. This causes greate confusion for me.

I am not against this site not letting in music videos that are not within their desired medium. Everyone has what they like and they shouldn't be forced to allow things they don't want to. The people who run this site do a great job. However, it is my opinion that if you do not want people using hollywood sources (which I wouldn't expect from ANIMEmusicvideos.org) or only want sources that have their origins completely routed in japan (reguardless of style), then the rules should be re-evaluated, the examples for operation rechecked, so as to clearify those points.


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Post by Voices_Of_Ryan » Sat Jul 03, 2004 8:25 pm

Phade owns the site, we pay to run it... simple. You're *contributing* for a service.

And just like a porn site called "all chicks *dot* com" does not include gay porn, Animemusicvideos.org does not include liveaction or american animation/games.

(just a refrence, to my knowledge there is no allchicks*dot*com)
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Post by Katsumi_AMVs » Sat Jul 03, 2004 8:36 pm

Here we go again with this old discussion :roll:

And this time it's even worst , because this is the wrong forum for such a topic . . . :?
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Post by Corran » Sat Jul 03, 2004 8:40 pm

Voices_Of_Ryan wrote:Phade owns the site, we pay to run it... simple. You're *contributing* for a service.

And just like a porn site called "all chicks *dot* com" does not include gay porn, Animemusicvideos.org does not include liveaction or american animation/games.

(just a refrence, to my knowledge there is no allchicks*dot*com)
Nice Reference. :D

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Post by obsidian_blk » Sat Jul 03, 2004 8:46 pm

Paulo wrote:Here we go again with this old discussion :roll:

And this time it's even worst , because this is the wrong forum for such a topic . . . :?

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Post by obsidian_blk » Sat Jul 03, 2004 8:58 pm

Voices_Of_Ryan wrote:Phade owns the site, we pay to run it... simple. You're *contributing* for a service.

And just like a porn site called "all chicks *dot* com" does not include gay porn, Animemusicvideos.org does not include liveaction or american animation/games.

(just a refrence, to my knowledge there is no allchicks*dot*com)

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Yes, I realize this, but anime is a style right? It has it's origins in Japan and most of it is produced there, but the style itself... the art and the stories... it's not purely bound by any region.

Let us not forget that much of what influenced the origins of the style we know today came from inspirations and ideas drawn (not in any small mention) from Disney him/itself. I'm not saying Mickey Mouse should be considered anime (however you do have Kingdom Hearts :shock: ), but are just because the source may not be from japan does not make the style any less anime, does it?

Am I wrong in this? Must an artist really be born from Japan to be even thought of as an anime artist? If one is a true fan of anime shouldn't they be a fan of the style, the stories, the artistry? Shouldn't a fan be a fan of the work and not just where it came from?

I'm just feeling a little disheartened to think people are that inflexable in such a petty area for a classification of artwork, that my view on this matter is being compared with the differences between anime and porno or anime and ESPN. I know the difference, thank you.

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Post by Kalium » Sat Jul 03, 2004 9:03 pm

Just as a point, I know at least one video on here has frames from Megatokyo in it.

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Post by AbsoluteDestiny » Sun Jul 04, 2004 1:50 am

obsidian_blk wrote:Yes, I realize this, but anime is a style right? It has it's origins in Japan and most of it is produced there, but the style itself... the art and the stories... it's not purely bound by any region.
If you think anime is one style then you havent seen enough anime.

Anyway, the simple answer to WC3 is NO!

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