Give a KId a home damnit.

Freako · Post by **Freako** » Sat Jul 26, 2003 3:14 pm

Ok . so im not one to beg for money . A couple I know cannot have kids so they have decided to adopt. Unfortunately , adoption is expensive. No wonder there are so many kids out there without a home.

If you can spare any $$ then please send it HERE

YEAH I KNOW , this is a departure from my normal AHOLE self , but what the hell ........ here is some important info.

How much does adoption cost?
Adopting parents can expect fees and expenses in an adoption to range from $7,000 to over $25,000. Most adoptions fall within the $15,000 to $20,000 range.

Why does it cost so much?
The two largest expenses that adopting families have are 1) medical care for the birthmother, and 2) agency fees. Adopting parents are responsible for paying for the medical care and, if needed, reasonable living expenses for birthmothers during their pregnancy and delivery. If the birthmother has no insurance these costs can be very high. Agencies charge fees, depending on the services they provide. Agencies which locate birthmothers and follow them through the delivery and surrender, waiting until the child is legally freed for adoption before calling the waiting family, typically charge "placement fees" of $10,000 - $25,000. Some agencies work on a sliding scale, adjusting their fees according to the family''s income. Other fees involved are legal fees. The adopting family is responsible for paying both their own fees and those of the birthmother. Attorneys representing birthmothers usually charge an hourly fee, and their fees are typically between $1,000 and $5,000.

thank you.

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Sat Jul 26, 2003 3:28 pm

They'd save more money and do more good if they adopted a *child* instead of a newborn. No 'birthmother' fees, and they'd rescue some poor 6 year old from being alone and unwanted. The reason adopting babies is so expensive is because everyone wants one. On the other hand, there are older children who no one wants because they're too old. Just thought I'd add that.

It's nice that you want to help, though.

pyro_256 · Post by **pyro_256** » Sat Jul 26, 2003 4:40 pm

my aunt and uncle adopted their kid and it was not at all expensive.

klinky · Post by **klinky** » Sat Jul 26, 2003 5:01 pm

YA really man, you need to give more info if you want people to like give money. Randomy black on white page with a paypal link and something about needing $25,000.

Sheesh. Also if the people don't have enough money to pay for those fees... Are they really going to be much better than the original mother. Not that money matters, but if you're not well off enough to be able to send that money over, I doubt you'll have enough to support a child.

~klinky

klinky · Post by **klinky** » Sat Jul 26, 2003 5:02 pm

Maybe I should say "not that money really matters in the characters of people". Since rich people can be assholes and so can poor people

kthulhu · Post by **kthulhu** » Sat Jul 26, 2003 5:15 pm

klinky wrote:Sheesh. Also if the people don't have enough money to pay for those fees... Are they really going to be much better than the original mother. Not that money matters, but if you're not well off enough to be able to send that money over, I doubt you'll have enough to support a child.

~klinky

Yes, because everyone has $25,000 they can just pony up

. By your logic, very few people should be alive, since most of us don't have all the money we'll need for the rest of our lives at once, and have to pay "installments" every month.

Anyhow, I don't have any spare cash (not that I would necessarily pony up if I did), but good for them for choosing adoption. There are plenty of flakes who can't have kids and spend many thousands on fertility treatments, all to satisfy their vanity

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Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Sat Jul 26, 2003 5:32 pm

Adoption is a great thing, but this thread is really a little misleading. The issue here isn't giving a kid a home, it's helping a couple buy a baby. The current market for babies is very high, and usually only the rich couples can afford to purchase one - there are simply too many people who want newborns, and too many young woman who want to get rid of theirs. The real reason to help out in a case like this *isn't* for the sake of the 'kid' at all - it's for the would-be parents. If they've already decided on the baby they want, you can be sure there are other people who are in line who will gladly step up if they can't foot the bill. Babies always sell unless they have some sort of disability that lowers their market value.

I hate to be cruel about this, but really, if they want a child that badly, they can save up for one the same you would when purchasing a vehicle. And once they've come up with the purchase price, it shows that they are likely to be able to pay for the insurance later on (school fees, housing, food, medical bills, etc). And you can take out a loan to buy a baby the same as you can a vehicle or a home - it's all the same to the banks, just another purchase.

If they simply want to be parents, they'd be looking into the children who are up for adoption - they're being given out very cheap in comparison. Only the rich people can afford to buy babies these days, it's just a sad fact. Their best bet, if they're determined to have a newborn, would be to make friends with some pregnant teenager who's considering abortion - all she has to do is sign over her rights to the child (and if she's poor, welfare will pay her medical bills), and that's it. They'd have the baby they want without having to pay as much.

[And don't be offended by me, I've just always had a problem with buying people, especially newborns - there's something disturbing about that.]

klinky · Post by **klinky** » Sat Jul 26, 2003 5:38 pm

Arigatomyna 8)

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Sat Jul 26, 2003 5:57 pm

Ah, I know I'm bad. ~_~ But Kthulhu hit the problem with adopting newborns. It doesn't come down to what's best for the baby, just who can pay the most for it. And there's something very wrong with that.

kthulhu · Post by **kthulhu** » Sat Jul 26, 2003 6:07 pm

Really? I think klinky was arguing the money point. I was saying that just because they don't have the $25,000 right now and they wish to adopt doesn't mean they can't take care of the kid if they get it. I'm all for adoption, so long as there is some oversight to make sure the kids go to a good family.

I'm not for black market type dealings, though.