I hate Star Ratings.

Wong · Post by **Wong** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:38 am

I mean, not that they are a bad idea, but i guess i don't like how some one can just give low star ratings...or high star ratings, without an explaination.

I know...a lot of people don't use them untill they have 10 vids DL'd....but then what? People just give everythign the same star rating so they can DL more vids? I guess its just upsetting that people can give these forms of opinion, without giving an opinion....ya know?

I check my vids to see how many hits and what not, and i get good reviews/opinions...but these asshats are giving me 2.5 average for my star rating

Makes me feel bad...and makes me think that you guys oping my vids are lying to me

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:48 am

Try this. Think of your favorite vids on the org - the ones on local - and check out their spots on the star list. If they're not comedies, effect vids, or intense (aka flashy) action vids, they probably have low star scores. Even some of the well-known (and liked) drama/romance vids end up with lower scores. Once you realize you're not alone, you won't feel bad about it.

The reason is pretty simple. You get scored in opinions. You get marked according to certain criteria - quality, sync, like-ablity. Those scores add up to the final score. With stars, you get scored on whether or not a person liked it. Not extra points for quality or action sync or effort - it's just the reviewable score. People tend to review the videos they like, so you may get a high reviewable score in your opinions. But people *have* to give a star to every single local vid they download, whether they like it or not. That means you get low reviewable star scores from people who didn't like it but who were forced to score it anyway.

Even great vids get low stars when they're watched by people who didn't know they'd hate it until it was already downloaded.

Beaujames · Post by **Beaujames** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:53 am

I don't think that stars are a bad idea, i just don't think people should be forced to make them. and the asshats as you put it are just as bad in the opinions as they are with the star rating, its unavoidable. 2.5 should be average, not something to be disappointed about. the biggest flaw with stars is that there are only 5 ratings, when 10 or 20 are needed to acurately weigh anything. don't expect 4 or 5 average star, alot of people who download your video won't like just because they don't like the song you used and then give it a poor star rating. Which is why being forced to give star ratings is wrong. you shouldn't have to rate it if you cannot be fair because you don't like the song.

Wong · Post by **Wong** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:58 am

i know...when i look at the actual meaning of the stars...2 is "OK", but....i mean.....its like....not even halfway......

thats why i get upset...and also i get upset because those people ARE forced to rank them.....therefor putting a lot of them into the "screw it...these 10 vids get 1's or 2's because i just need to clear them out" mindset.

Scintilla · Post by **Scintilla** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:59 am

Beaujames wrote:2.5 should be average, not something to be disappointed about.

No, <b>3</b> should be average. It's on a scale of 1 to 5, not 0 to 5.

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 2:08 am

Beaujames wrote:I don't think that stars are a bad idea, i just don't think people should be forced to make them. and the asshats as you put it are just as bad in the opinions as they are with the star rating, its unavoidable.

Yes, you get flamers all over - if they're set on bashing you, they'll do it any way they can. But the star scale is not meant to be the feedback that you get from the opinions. The reason it's forced is because people rarely review videos. They almost never review videos they don't like. The only way to get a semi-accurate guess on how many like and dislike your vid is to go by the star rating - the score that gives you the average of *everyone* who downloaded that video. It's not personal like reviews - the person scoring the vid isn't telling you to improve things or that some things are great, just that 'half liked it' or 'most liked it' or 'most disliked it' - it's an average so you know what the unnamed masses think of your work. If you consider how many members are on this site, you'd be insane to expect excellent star scores for anything but a fan-appealing video (something that stands out at the top of the lists after being scored/reviewed by hundreds). That's not the point of the star score.

Honestly, most of the people who give low stars aren't doing it to be 'asshats' or even jerks - they're scoring vids according to whether or not they like it. Have you seen the suggestion query page? The videos you give high scores to are the ones you like - and the suggestion query goes off those videos you like (the high scores) to tell you what other videos you might also like. If you just gave high scores to be nice (even if you hated the video), you'll get a crapload of unappealing videos in the suggestion query. Plus, it would be a lie to the people you're scoring - making them think you like it when you really hate it. No point sucking up when your name doesn't go on the star score.

The point of stars (originally - Phade's idea, the creator of the site) was to have a yes/no on whether or not most people liked the vid. He didn't even like having 5 stars - he wanted a yes or no, without the extra options. You get options in the reviews, and explanations, that's not the point of the star score. I think the admins would sooner knock it down to a 'plus=yes and minus=no' before they'd add more ranks to choose from.

/and yes, this has come up before, do a search of this forum ^.~

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 2:10 am

Wong wrote:....therefor putting a lot of them into the "screw it...these 10 vids get 1's or 2's because i just need to clear them out" mindset.

Now that we have the suggestion query (and the "Method 2" actually works for me~!! Joy!) people have more reason to think about what stars they give. That's the best you can do.

Even with reviews (try some opinion exchanges with those who give standard, repetitive reviews) some people are going to give the same scores to every single vid. They're just lazy. Nothing you can do about lazy people.

Wong · Post by **Wong** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 2:36 am

Arigatomyna wrote: /and yes, this has come up before, do a search of this forum ^.~

you know how many topics came up when i did a search for this kind of thing?

over 2000.

i am not gonna sit and read over 2k posts to see if this was said already.
The search is great, but only if you know EXACTLY what the other thread title was. If i don't see a thread with what I am looking for blatantly obvious on the first page, i am not gona waste my time.

You are right. It would be easier with a Yes No option, rather then stars....but I do have a point about how a lot of people probobly just give all 10 vids awaiting star ratings the same rating. I give my ratings like i give my review/opinions. If i like your vid...i am putting that in my opinion. and depending on how well i liked it, that is the star you get. I use 3 as the average, as it should be.

5 = Two thumbs up 13
4 = Thumbs up 23
3 = Eeeegh 23
2 = Thumbs down 14
1 = Two thumbs down 4

These are my given ratings. And for the ops i have given(only 21 i think), they reflect my star rating.

BUT.....and i will use this argument untill i die, or this is changed...
there are people out there, and probobly a LOT of them, that just give vids random stars because they can't download untill they do.

It is this reason that it should be a Yes No basis.

I do not use the Suggestion Querry, because the ONE time that i did, even though i gave stars according to how i like the vids, it gave me like, 3 vids out of how ever many there, that i actualy liked. And that is because the stars are not, and never will be, an accurate reading for the un-named masses who like your vid or not, because there will always be those people that do what i say they do in my example.[/u][/i]

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 2:41 am

Wong wrote:I do not use the Suggestion Querry, because the ONE time that i did, even though i gave stars according to how i like the vids, it gave me like, 3 vids out of how ever many there, that i actualy liked.

Do you have another account here? You haven't been a member for very long, so chances are you don't have that many local stars given out - the more videos you download and rank (accurately according to your likes and dislikes) the more accurate the suggestion query is. I've only downloaded some 600 local vids, but the new suggestion method (Method 2 if you haven't looked recently) gave a list of videos with only *two* vids I doubt I'll like. That's a huge improvement over the way it was before. Since you're scoring accurately (like you do your written reviews), the second method should work for you once you download and score enough videos to set a 'standard' of what types you like and what types you don't. That's what it goes by - the more stars, the more accurate it is.

But I'm not saying you shouldn't argue for changes. Just start a thread about it down in the 'site suggestion' section. This section is more for discussion than actual suggestions. ^.~

Beaujames · Post by **Beaujames** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 2:43 am

Scintilla wrote:
Beaujames wrote:2.5 should be average, not something to be disappointed about.
No, <b>3</b> should be average. It's on a scale of 1 to 5, not 0 to 5.

I know that, but the scale as it is on the site says 2=okay 3=above average. wait did they change that? it says 2=below average and 3=average which... wait i reloaded the page and it changed back! wtf now it says 2=ok 3=good wierd how they change...

the fact of the matter is that alot of people download videos with music that they end up disliking. and then rank the video poorly because of the song, which shouldn't affect a star rating

Arigatomyna, i see your point... and i'm not sure if i can disagree, i guess we just shouldn't pay as much attention to it. but if you could give an overall score for a video without making an entire opinion it would be nice... something that worked with the star system, something that the "asshats" wouldn't run around throwing 1s on.