Greedy People

[ash_wee_o]

I just recently noticed something. I was a little bored, so i decided to give out ten free opinions, so i went into the op exchange board and posted it. It didn't take long for people to respond, which was what i hoped, but eight out of the twelve (yes, people exceeded my limit ) already had over ten opinions on their vid! One guy had over thrity! And i'm thinking to myself, why on earth do they need another opinion! I reviewed their vids anyway because they were first in line, but i think that's gettin' a little greedy. What do you guys think?

[lilgumba]

Maybe people really wanted feedback on their videos. A video can be different to each person so maybe they wanted to let it be seen and get some feedback for sure. That is why I want opinions and why some of my videos have 10 or more whether I did an op exchange, got a random op or applied for a free op. However, lately I have not done any op exchanges due to the fact that I don't have my new video uploaded and a lot of the people who op before have seen some of my videos. I don't think greed can be applied for all cases.

[ash_wee_o]

I don't think greed can be applied for all cases.

Yeah, you're right. I guess i just try to stick up for the underdogs who don't have any ops. It's my fault i didn't specify any specific rules, so i guess people were just jumping on the free chance.

[lilgumba]

you can always try it again with people who have under 5 ops

[Arigatomina]

This is the eternal question. ;p

Some people get 30 reviews every time they make a video - free and immediate because of their skill and/or fame. Others post 30 vids without getting any reviews because of their lack of skill and/or lack of fame. So does that mean you shouldn't review the one who gets lots of reviews just because others have done so before you? Do you reserve your reviews just for those who 'need' them? And in that case, why are you writing reviews - because you want to help, or because you know what it's like to wish people would tell you what they think of your video?

Some will tell you that they never review a video that already has 10 or 20 or (insert random number here) reviews because the editor already has enough. They might even say they have nothing to add to what other reviewers have already written. Or they might say "I kill for one review, why should I give you another when you have more on one video than I do on *all* of mine".

Others will say "I see reviews as a way to tell the creator what I thought of the video, how I took it, and I think I'm enough of an individual that my feedback won't be identical to others, so it doesn't matter how many reviews the video already has." Or they might say "I give reviews to be helpful - it's easy to get 15 useless reviews and still wish you could get one more that would actually help you in the future." Or even "the more reviews telling you something is 'right' or 'wrong', the more likely it is that you'll learn from it."

Then you have the people *asking* for reviews. Some do it because it's the only way to get a wide audience watching their work - and recognition is necessary in order to compete in things like contests or even just social status here at the org. Others do it because they're new and the more useful feedback the better. And still others do it because the more high scores they get from people who are awed and/or don't know any better, the higher they'll rank on the top lists. And there remains the others who simply like to know how a wide range of people react to a given video - in which case there is no limit to reviews needed because each one gives another 'view' on the video.

Lots of ways to look at it. I don't use 'free review/opinion' threads anymore unless I know the person reviewing. It's not because I don't *want* more people to watch the videos, just that I don't need it as much as others do. I like to do reviews to be helpful - and I like to *get* reviews that are more 'feedback' than actual help. Does that sound odd? I write reviews to tell people first how I thought the video 'ranks' according to scores, then how I think it could be better (technical and presentation-wise) and the rest is 'feedback' - whether or not I liked the video, what the video said to me, why I love or am apathetic toward the video.

But the reviews I like to get, the ones I really want to get, are the ones that have more on the 'feedback' than the technical aspects. Sure, I have lots of room for improvement, and I'll milk the great reviewers to make them point those flaws out to me when I'm feeling motivated. But I'm much more interested in whether a person *liked* a video - and if not, *why* not. I want to know what did or did not work for a viewer. And that's not the sort of review you go around asking for on free op lists - because I think most fee op lists are done to 'help' others. Feedback might be help to me, but most people see 'usefulness' as a rating of how technical the review is. So I'm better off leaving the free reviews to those who need and want them the most - the ones aiming for exposure or technical 'help.'

And since I feel for the striving editors more than the pros, I aim to write helpful/technical reviews. That's probably why few 'pros' post in my threads - some realize my scores will actually hurt their top list positions since I don't give above a 7 if I'm deleting the video immediately after reviewing it. Others realize I don't use Premiere, so there's no way I can help them improve the technical aspects of their videos. But that still leaves plenty of people who want 'helpful' reviews - and yes, a number of them have reviews already. It doesn't make a difference to me.

I have a few hundred reviews, but of those I'd estimate one out of every 60 is a useful one. That's not a good ratio when people stop reviewing videos that already have 10 reviews.

[ash_wee_o]

It's not because I don't *want* more people to watch the videos, just that I don't need it as much as others do.

See, i respect that from a video creator. You understand that there are people who need feedback. But, I will never turn down a request for an op if I said i would review the first ten, even if they already have 100 ops, it just wouldn't be right. I just think the beginners need a fair chance.

[godix]

I just recently noticed something .... but eight out of the twelve (yes, people exceeded my limit ) already had over ten opinions on their vid!

I noticed the same sort of thing on my free op thread. Previously I'd call it greedy but not I'm not sure. I specifically pointed out that the sole purpose of my ops is to improve, I give lower scores than average, that I tend focus on bad parts of the video so my ops aren't good ego boosts. With this warning I still got several people with over 10 ops asking me to do their video anyway, which is really making me wonder. If people with more than 10 ops are asking for constructive critism ops even though they know it'll probably be rather negative and pull down their average score then something is going on that I hadn't taken into account in my previous '8 ops is enough' attitude.

Speaking of which, I should probably be doing an op right now instead of posting. I know I have a comedy video called Chilly Down I need to take a look at amoung others ...

[Tsunami Jones]

I'm sure some people are greedy, but then, there's the people who probably just want some actual helpful feedback, as there are some out there who will leave an op that tells you absolutely nothing. I have one particular op that the person wrote an amazing total of four words.

I like to do reviews to be helpful - and I like to *get* reviews that are more 'feedback' than actual help. Does that sound odd? I write reviews to tell people first how I thought the video 'ranks' according to scores, then how I think it could be better (technical and presentation-wise)

And I personally wouldn't care how few reviews i got on a vid as long as at least one of them was helpful as Arigatomyna's (I don't have to many ops on my vids anyways, I think the highest is five, with the lowest being 0). To me this is the best type of review one can get. Simply because, no matter how many problems it points out in the vid, it will help me improve (and Ari, the quality on the vid i just finished working on isn't crap! I swear!).

So there's my rant on this.

[)v(ajin Koji]

This is the eternal question. ;p

[more stuff]

Bloody Hell! That was the eternal answer!

[Bote]

I was the guy with 30 ops.

See in your opinion list how many decent ops. I got. A 3 line typing isn't an ACTUAL op.! So I don't consider that fair. And comments like "wtf" only isn't even a sentence . Plus I got many undeserved 10's which gave some people material to make up stuff as "multiple accounts" and "has friends". That is jerky! Plus...whenever someone searches videos I noticed most of them look at op. and hits count and only then want to watch it (me actually ). I just think this is one of those ways to attract more audience. And since I can't attend cons. (for now) how can I advertise better than that ? Everyone looks in "AMV Announcements" by names, so new people don't get feedback at all. That bothered me a lot, that's why I started dewing exchange and posting in "Free ops."

If Shinji13 and Godix haven't given me their detailed and critique ops. I'd still be unsatisfied.

/shameless plug

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