Using clips from other AMVs and identifying them

[JBBentham]

I know its very much frowned upon to use entire segments from other AMVs and usually when I notice it I make a comment to people to let them know its not cool, unless there is some specific reason for it or they have permission or something. A lot of times it seems like these editors just didn't realize how bad of an idea it is and won't do it again. They're new at it and all are Innocently mistaken or naive on their part and a little guidance and they're on the right track again. I ran into a stubborn one the other day, after watching a few of his videos I noticed that he had been taking huge segments of clips from other AMVs and mixing them together with new songs. I left a comment to him saying its usually not cool to do that, and it seemed to be ok since he removed the offending AMVs and it seemed like he realized what I meant. Another aspiring editor set back on the right track I thought.
Then, only a week later:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brqVNI8_Txw
A monstriosity in its own right of a rambling sequences of Ecchi clips... it suddenly tosses in a favorite AMV of mine at the end of it, magicdarklight's Just a Dream AMV: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LqFgB4pTSw

A bit flabbergasted I left a response that was responded too quite hostilely.... I suspect that much of the first sequences in this video (and some of his other videos I'm sure) also uses clips from another source since they seem edited but set to a different song or beat or whatever and I want to find out the original AMVs if anyone, by chance, is familiar with any of them.

To make more of a discussion, lets talk about other major offenders of AMV plaigerism and how it was/wasn't dealt with.

[JaddziaDax]

While this horse has been beaten to death here, my stance on people "ripping off" my videos has settled to "i don't care anymore" because if you look at it logically we are doing the exact same thing to the anime companies, so what right do I have to complain about it. However it is considered somewhat of a social suicide in this hobby, therefore I try to warn people that others might not be as "nice" as me.

[Nya-chan Production]

As long as it's credited (and maybe asked beforehand), it's usually fine.

Hell, we even have VCAs (or JCAs or both) winner that's edited ONLY from AMVs of others - and community finds it fine. Remix of remix culture go!

[HalOfBorg]

I used a can of tuna and a short blurb from the "Bumblebee Tuna" jingle in one of my annoying videos, not quite the same thing, but close.

[Sephiroth]

The opening of the 2nd DDR project was DDR project one on crack and by god it worked.

[SQ]

Hell, we even have VCAs (or JCAs or both) winner that's edited ONLY from AMVs of others - and community finds it fine. Remix of remix culture go!

Wait What?
Examples please.
(I'm out of the loop)

[BasharOfTheAges]

Hell, we even have VCAs (or JCAs or both) winner that's edited ONLY from AMVs of others - and community finds it fine. Remix of remix culture go!

Wait What?
Examples please.
(I'm out of the loop)

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... p?v=159399

The comment was a bit disingenuous though. This is a specific case of someone deeply in the community using videos mostly by other people deeply in the community as an in-joke for the community. The video's purpose wasn't to cut corners by using someone else's edits and source footage, which is the primary purpose the act mentioned by the OP is about.

[Nya-chan Production]

Hell, we even have VCAs (or JCAs or both) winner that's edited ONLY from AMVs of others - and community finds it fine. Remix of remix culture go!

Wait What?
Examples please.
(I'm out of the loop)

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... p?v=159399

The comment was a bit disingenuous though. This is a specific case of someone deeply in the community using videos mostly by other people deeply in the community as an in-joke for the community. The video's purpose wasn't to cut corners by using someone else's edits and source footage, which is the primary purpose the act mentioned by the OP is about.

Thanks for clarifying it all and linking it :>

[Emong]

...if you look at it logically we are doing the exact same thing to the anime companies...

x2

Who cares anyway? It's not like we're not all more or less influenced by other editors anyway. People who use other AMVs for their own AMVs merely do directly what we all do indirectly. Nothing is ours really.

[BasharOfTheAges]

...if you look at it logically we are doing the exact same thing to the anime companies...

x2

Who cares anyway? It's not like we're not all more or less influenced by other editors anyway. People who use other AMVs for their own AMVs merely do directly what we all do indirectly. Nothing is ours really.

To neglect the nuance is a logical cop-out. We use the anime and music as the medium to create, not as a means to cut corners in trying to pass of the animator's work as our own. Re-use of someone else's work as a new medium (a meta-AMV if you will) is fundamentally different from using someone else's edits because you're (at best) too lazy to do it yourself or (at worst) trying to claim credit for the hard work of others.

Let's be real here; the overwhelming majority of cases are the latter, not the former.