Thoughts on substance in AMVs

Koopiskeva · Post by **Koopiskeva** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:37 pm

Koopiskeva wrote: There's nothing wrong with discussing it

ewps |:

Koopiskeva · Post by **Koopiskeva** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:37 pm

Knowname wrote: yes, I have learned it is no fun argueing with a wall.

So... I'm a wall for disagreeing with your view?... Right. |:

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:39 pm

Kalium wrote:Mm. Perhaps a "Theme" category is in order, to alert the viewer that the video is more thematic in nature than storytelling.

Sentimental would work for some of the vids, if the creators used just that category. Fun could work for some, too, as long as that's the only category used. What we're lacking in 'theme' categories is Angst for the dark emotion-based vids. We can't have an 'angst' category. Something about it being an emotion on the part of the viewer (unlike sentimental) and that having nothing to do with amvs because it's not listed at cons. >.<
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Theme would be great as long as there's a 'mouse-over' description telling people what that means when they select it. That would settle a lot of the misinterpretations once people get used to the category.

...it's well worth 5 pages for that suggestion. ;p

Knowname · Post by **Knowname** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:44 pm

Koopiskeva wrote:
Knowname wrote: so... though you wanted to find out what story does in an amv, you are taking no stand?? What a true Libertarian... well ok, there's nothing I can say to convince you so I guess not.

For me, story still matters above all else. I've always been able to coexist haveing, even likeing some 'non-story' amvs for the emotions they portray, but, regardless I will always look for story first.
I do have a stand.. that stand being that I take more things to account rather than just the story.. and that each elemnt of a video combined has higher importance than its individual parts.. a story is just another element that is not necessary for the video to progress |:

well then, what else, pray tell, progresses a video?? I don't know about a thematic category, but I most notably did NOT tick drama on my no story type amv because it does NOT have a story. I would think that every video would have a theme so if we had a theme category, we'd be tempted to put every video we have in that category.

Flame-X · Post by **Flame-X** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:51 pm

Ok, I recieved something like that too in quick comments. It's gotten quite common and annoying.

AMVs exist to contribute the anime not for some story. If u want story, go watch the freakin series. And seriously, who gives a shit as long as it's fun to watch.

Koopiskeva · Post by **Koopiskeva** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:58 pm

Knowname wrote: well then, what else, pray tell, progresses a video?? I don't know about a thematic category, but I most notably did NOT tick drama on my no story type amv because it does NOT have a story. I would think that every video would have a theme so if we had a theme category, we'd be tempted to put every video we have in that category.

So.. what you're saying is that for ANY video to have some type of CATEGORY, then it must have a story?

Here a few examples of videos that do not have any sort of story, but do progress the video.. either through changing emotions and/or presenting a concept.

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... hp?v=50552

This particular video has been debated by many to just be random imagery, no story whatsoever, but by concentrating on the emotions expressed by the way the video is presented, the video progresses through the many elements of Last Exile that the editor found to be pertinent.

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... hp?v=90488

You know of this one.. this has been debated quite a bit already too... does it tell a story? Most likely not... the video expresses emotion all the way through and progresses with the song's own emotional appeal.

There's more.. but I'm lazy |:

JaddziaDax · Post by **JaddziaDax** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:14 am

think my lovecats one is a great one to show a theme...

its all cats...

and cats...

and a rat at one point, but back to cats.....

theres no story to it what so ever... but it shows a common theme in several different animes

Knowname · Post by **Knowname** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:11 am

Koopiskeva wrote:
Knowname wrote: well then, what else, pray tell, progresses a video?? I don't know about a thematic category, but I most notably did NOT tick drama on my no story type amv because it does NOT have a story. I would think that every video would have a theme so if we had a theme category, we'd be tempted to put every video we have in that category.
So.. what you're saying is that for ANY video to have some type of CATEGORY, then it must have a story?

Here a few examples of videos that do not have any sort of story, but do progress the video.. either through changing emotions and/or presenting a concept.

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... hp?v=50552

This particular video has been debated by many to just be random imagery, no story whatsoever, but by concentrating on the emotions expressed by the way the video is presented, the video progresses through the many elements of Last Exile that the editor found to be pertinent.

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... hp?v=90488

You know of this one.. this has been debated quite a bit already too... does it tell a story? Most likely not... the video expresses emotion all the way through and progresses with the song's own emotional appeal.

There's more.. but I'm lazy |:

sorry bout the last part about the theme category, sorry, I only meant the first sentance to argue with the first paragraph. I meant to put Kalium's post in between those. Just pressed the wrong button. Anyway to answer your question,

>>So.. what you're saying is that for ANY video to have some type of CATEGORY, then it must have a story?<<

As Ari stated, yes, in the current system there are but a few categories that don't correlate a story.

now as for your examples you DID say that Last Transmission's basic concept of emotions portrayed by the song. I don't understand how this follows your point... don't you get the same thing, then, by listening to the song and staring out into space?? If you want the story of the traditional single anime amv just watch the anime, if you want the emotions portrayed by the song just listen to the song. That was just the easiest example of the two I came across. The other one, Jihaku, seems like a traditional amv to me... it's molded after a rock video (actually it IS a rock video) with occasional anime and cg scenes here and there. I would call that "events that occur in the video to make certain situations progress from one to the next" isn't that your deffinition of story? It's very close to dictionary.coms, "a message that tells the particulars of an act or occurrence or course of events". I'm not saying there are no 'no story' videos, no videos that try to have the impact of SNHKnives or DWChang's latest drama-fest, cuz if I did, apparently I'd be very hipocriticle. No, I'm just sayin' ppl throw terms around if they say 'no story' they usually mean it didn't progress well. They see story = progression and they expect progression to = story, which you don't seem to think it does.... I know, your just trying to get opinions on whether you can have progression without story. Well I just don't think so. >.<

Koopiskeva · Post by **Koopiskeva** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:37 am

Knowname wrote:stuff

uhh... you didn't even follow the examples I posted.. I was posting those as examples of videos that don't have a story but have progression regardless of that fact. |:

They are drama videos, no doubt about it... but did they tell a story of events that unfolded from one to the next? No. They were based purely on expressive emotions that correlate with the song. Are you really gonna tell me that they can't be considered drama because of the fact that there is no coherent storyline? |: Or that neither of those videos had progression because of the lack of such story? |:

As for story = progression .. as far as a narrative then it is more than likely yes, but in terms of other elements such as emotion or growth... not necessarily.. a character could have NO change occur to them in the duration of an AMV even with the presence of a clear narrative, so in that perspective of progression, then no.. story does not equal progression.

In terms of progression = story... that's not true either. Just as those examples had shown, the buildup of characters and emotions changed with the duration of the song, seemingly changing the perception of the viewer depending on how they interpret the imagery. So, therefore.. the video progrssed through the change in the characters and expressed emotions without showing any clear narrative whatsoever.

x_rex30 · Post by **x_rex30** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:41 am

Clamp-X wrote:Ok, I recieved something like that too in quick comments. It's gotten quite common and annoying.

AMVs exist to contribute the anime not for some story. If u want story, go watch the freakin series. And seriously, who gives a shit as long as it's fun to watch.

That's a very great point you've made!